From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Fri Jan 2 00:52:04 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Ask an Expert - Question) Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 19:52:04 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]Re: MIA, Ask an Expert Question Message-ID: <3FF47A64.27556.53E56@localhost>
On 1 Jan 2004 at 12:46, askanexpert@openworldlearning.org wrote:

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> from: "SHRAVAN" rkaundinya@vsnl.com
> date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 12:46:02 -0700
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> Brief Note on LOGO Commands :
> DRAW, FD, RT, LT, CS, HOME

Maybe this can help you:

http://mia.openworldlearning.org/voctable.htm

Daniel
OpenWorld Learning
From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Mon Jan 5 20:51:57 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Ask an Expert - Question) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 15:51:57 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]MIA, Ask an Expert Question Message-ID: <3FF9881D.15965.8BA5F@localhost> This is an automatic message sent from the web form at: http://mia.openworldlearning.org/howdoi.htm from: "Jennifer Harrison" date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 9:52:51 -0700 We're trying to build a pyramid game (solitaire). We have a sample Klondike game to go from, but we can't figure out how to do the All Shuffle, or to set the cards so that a total of 13 will eliminate the pair of cards from the stack. Please help. :-) Jennifer Harrison and students. Roy Public Schools Roy, MT http://www.midrivers.com/~pirates From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Mon Jan 5 18:08:01 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Ask an Expert - Question) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 13:08:01 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]MIA, Ask an Expert Question Message-ID: <3FF961B1.4068.12914D@localhost> This is an automatic message sent from the web form at: http://mia.openworldlearning.org/howdoi.htm from: "Jennifer Harrison" date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 9:52:51 -0700 We're trying to build a pyramid game (solitaire). We have a sample Klondike game to go from, but we can't figure out how to do the All Shuffle, or to set the cards so that a total of 13 will eliminate the pair of cards from the stack. Please help. :-) Jennifer Harrison and students. Roy Public Schools Roy, MT http://www.midrivers.com/~pirates From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Mon Jan 12 10:11:22 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (mbajic) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:11:22 +1100 Subject: [MWForum]MIA, Ask an Expert Question Message-ID: <2115cf20b1f6.20b1f62115cf@email.bigpond.com> Dear All, I am reading a book called "Microworlds Hypermedia Project Development and Logo Scripting". I want to write a procedure from the book using Microworlds Pro but a command (turtletype) does not work on my Microworlds Pro version. Could you please tell me a substitute command for turtletype which is used in Microworlds Pro. The procedure is: to draw.label turtletype "[For Sale!!] repeat 9 [fd 10] end Regards, Marko Bajic, Australia ---------------- Powered by telstra.com From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Mon Jan 12 16:49:54 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Daniel Ajoy) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:49:54 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]Re: turtletype In-Reply-To: <2115cf20b1f6.20b1f62115cf@email.bigpond.com> Message-ID: <400289E2.26749.E1327D@localhost> --Message-Boundary-25039 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Hi Marko, to startup cg repeat 10 [turtletype [For Sale!!] fd 20] end to turtletype :text newtext "reservedname pos [200 30] opaque "reservedname ct insert :text transparent "reservedname stamptext "reservedname remove "reservedname end Project Attached. Daniel OpenWorld Learning On 12 Jan 2004 at 21:11, mbajic wrote: > Dear All, > I am reading a book called "Microworlds Hypermedia Project Development and Logo Scripting". > I want to write a procedure from the book using Microworlds Pro but a command (turtletype) does not > work on my Microworlds Pro version. Could you please tell me a substitute command for turtletype > which is used in Microworlds Pro. 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MQ0AAABzaGFwZWluADATAAAAaGF2ZS1saXN0AFtoYXNdDQAAAGNvbG9yaW4AOQ== --Message-Boundary-25039-- From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Tue Feb 3 14:17:42 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Daniel Ajoy) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 09:17:42 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]Re: Question about Logo please? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <401F6736.20127.42B564@localhost> On 3 Feb 2004 at 12:03, stephane norte wrote: > Hello, I need some help with vocabulary in microworlds pro. > Can you help me please. My problem is: > I want in Microworlds Pro, to interact > with Windows commands, nor to get the date or time directly. This is possible??Thank you very much. > stephane_norte@hotmail.com > Hi Stephane, I think the only way is to use dll (Dynamic Link Libraries) access Daniel OpenWorld Learning From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Tue Feb 3 15:59:50 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Chris Myers) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 08:59:50 -0700 Subject: [MWForum]Re: Question about Logo please? In-Reply-To: <401F6736.20127.42B564@localhost> Message-ID: <000501c3ea6e$c22df600$0201a8c0@openworld.local> Daniel, Do you think she will know what these are? You might say, "let me know if this helps?" -Chris Christopher Myers Founder and Executive Director OpenWorld Learning (OWL) 303-744-8495 www.openworldlearning.org > -----Original Message----- > From: mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com [mailto:mwforum- > admin@lists.mathcats.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Ajoy > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 7:18 AM > To: stephane norte; info@lcsi.ca; mwforum@lists.mathcats.com > Subject: [MWForum]Re: Question about Logo please? > > On 3 Feb 2004 at 12:03, stephane norte wrote: > > > Hello, I need some help with vocabulary in microworlds pro. > > Can you help me please. My problem is: > > I want in Microworlds Pro, to interact > > with Windows commands, nor to get the date or time directly. This is > possible??Thank you very much. > > stephane_norte@hotmail.com > > > > Hi Stephane, > > I think the only way is to use dll (Dynamic Link Libraries) access > > Daniel > OpenWorld Learning > > _______________________________________________ > MWForum mailing list > MWForum@lists.mathcats.com > http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum > Attachments archived at: > http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html > To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact > mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Tue Feb 3 16:49:58 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Daniel Ajoy) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 11:49:58 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]Re: Question about Logo please? Message-ID: <401F8AE6.233.CE2119@localhost> On 3 Feb 2004 at 9:15, "stephane norte" Hi Stephane, > > I think the only way is to use dll (Dynamic Link Libraries) access > > Daniel > OpenWorld Learning It's me again :) You can find more information about DLLs in the Help of Microworlds Pro. Help / MicroWorlds Help Topics... / Appendices / the Serial Port and Dynamic Link Libraries / Dynamic Link Libraries but that doesn't really help much in terms of learning which windows dll you should call to get access to the system's date and time... maybe shell32.dll and the function ShellExecuteA Daniel OpenWorld Learning From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Sun Feb 8 16:01:21 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Daniel Ajoy) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 11:01:21 -0500 Subject: [MWForum](Fwd) Re: Question about Logo programming please? Message-ID: <40261701.15416.181E6A@localhost> ------- Forwarded message follows ------- From: "stephane norte" To: dajoy@openworldlearning.org BCC to: Subject: Re: Question about Logo programming please? Date sent: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 15:26:46 +0000 Hi, I need a command for microworlds pro to give me the real time and date. I am doing a program in logo with microworlds pro and i need a command or vocabulary to give me the real time and date. Is not a windows command is a command in logo to give me the date and time (hours). ------- End of forwarded message ------- From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Sun Feb 8 17:23:27 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Karen Randall) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 11:23:27 -0600 Subject: [MWForum]random numbers, filling In-Reply-To: <40261701.15416.181E6A@localhost> References: <40261701.15416.181E6A@localhost> Message-ID: --============_-1135861486==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Greetings, Would one of you be kind enough to comment on our class conclusions about a couple small programming problems? Is there a more elegant way around them? 1. The kids want to have random number inputs to setting turtle coordinate locations. We've been able to do this using setx and sety separately, but not setpos followed by something such as [random 20 random 20]. Is this correct? Can you help us understand why one works but not the other? 2. When trying to fill shapes, we're adding the extra commands to get the turtle inside the shape and off the line it drew getting there so the fill command works, and then sometimes there is still something not cooperating. Lifting the pen before moving the turtle inside the shape helps a little, but is there an easier way to get solid color shapes (via the turtle and not the graphics tools)? Thanks! ps. I wrote a bit ago asking for resource leads for integrating intermediate level Logo into my math class. I'm finding Mathematics and Logo by Kathleen Martin and Donna Bearden (1985) very helpful for the geometry part. --============_-1135861486==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" random numbers, filling
Greetings,

Would one of you be kind enough to comment on our class conclusions about a couple small programming problems?  Is there a more elegant way around them?

1. The kids want to have random number inputs to setting turtle coordinate locations.  We've been able to do this using setx and sety separately, but not setpos followed by something such as [random 20 random 20].  Is this correct?  Can you help us understand why one works but not the other?

2.  When trying to fill shapes, we're adding the extra commands to get the turtle inside the shape and off the line it drew getting there so the fill command works, and then sometimes there is still something not cooperating.  Lifting the pen before moving the turtle inside the shape helps a little, but is there an easier way to get solid color shapes (via the turtle and not the graphics tools)?

Thanks!

ps.  I wrote a bit ago asking for resource leads for integrating intermediate level Logo into my math class.  I'm finding Mathematics and Logo by Kathleen Martin and Donna Bearden (1985) very helpful for the geometry part. 
--============_-1135861486==_ma============-- From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Sun Feb 8 21:44:01 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Daniel Ajoy) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:44:01 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]random numbers, filling In-Reply-To: References: <40261701.15416.181E6A@localhost> Message-ID: <40266751.18560.189022@localhost> On 8 Feb 2004 at 11:23, Karen Randall wrote: > Greetings, Hi Karen, > Would one of you be kind enough to comment on our class conclusions > about a couple small programming problems? Is there a more elegant > way around them? > > 1. The kids want to have random number inputs to setting turtle > coordinate locations. We've been able to do this using setx and sety > separately, but not setpos followed by something such as [random 20 > random 20]. Is this correct? Can you help us understand why one > works but not the other? That is because [random 20 random 20] is a list with four items: one word (random), one number (20), one word and one number. show first [random 20 random 20] random show item 1 [random 20 random 20] random show item 2 [random 20 random 20] 20 show item 3 [random 20 random 20] random show item 4 [random 20 random 20] 20 What you need is a list of two numbers, like: show list random 20 random 20 1 17 show list random 20 random 20 3 19 show list random 20 random 20 18 14 "random 20" is a number "random 20" is a another number "list" takes both numbers and makes a list with them > 2. When trying to fill shapes, we're adding the extra commands to > get the turtle inside the shape and off the line it drew getting > there so the fill command works, and then sometimes there is still > something not cooperating. Lifting the pen before moving the turtle > inside the shape helps a little, but is there an easier way to get > solid color shapes (via the turtle and not the graphics tools)? Here is a general procedure to draw a filled square, everything cooperates: to square :side :color setc :color repeat 4 [fd :side rt 90] pu rt 45 fd :side fill bk :side rt 45 pd end Daniel OpenWorld Learning From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Mon Feb 9 16:33:01 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Wendy Petti) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 11:33:01 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]RE: random numbers with setpos In-Reply-To: <40266751.18560.189022@localhost> Message-ID: I'd like to add on to Daniel's information about using setpos with random numbers. This had confused me too for a long time too, until I got some help beyond the MW help menus, because for years I had only seen setpos used with brackets. But in fact all of these alternatives work: * * * Example 1: setpos random 200 random 200 (This command would only place the turtle in the upper right quadrant.) * * * Example 2: setpos -250 + random 500 setpos -150 + random 300 (This command would place the turtle anywhere on a project of size 500 x 300.) Example 3: setpos (se -250 + random 500 -150 + random 300) (This command does *exactly* the same thing as Example 2, using se (sentence) instead of list. Note that when when more than 2 inputs are being combined using SE, then the SE command and its inputs need to be enclosed in parentheses.) * * * Example 4: Below is a complex example using a cluster of turtles to follow a turtle named brad and another cluster of turtles to follow a turtle named kyle. (The two procedures below were part of a complex project in which two basketball players were being moved by two players using key commands. These turtle clusters were hidden; their purpose was to guide a visible basketball moving up and down so that when Kyle or Brad was facing to the left, the basketball would be dribbling up and down on the left side of the player, and when Kyle or Brad was facing to the right, the basketball would dribble on the right side of the player; meanwhile the player shape was changing to move the arms and legs in a dribbling fashion. Other procedures not posted below were involved in steering the players with the keys, moving the basketball up and down, etc.) I include this example because it demonstrates how the SETPOS and LIST commands can be combined with other commands involving brackets and parentheses... the RANDOM command is not involved in this example, but it could be incorporated after the + and - signs if that served a useful purpose for you. to followbrad t1, setpos list (ask "brad [xcor]) + 35 (ask "brad [ycor]) + 10 t2, setpos list (ask "brad [xcor]) + 35 (ask "brad [ycor]) - 60 t3, setpos list (ask "brad [xcor]) - 35 (ask "brad [ycor]) + 10 t4, setpos list (ask "brad [xcor]) - 35 (ask "brad [ycor]) - 60 end to followkyle k1, setpos list (ask "kyle [xcor]) + 35 (ask "kyle [ycor]) + 10 k2, setpos list (ask "kyle [xcor]) + 35 (ask "kyle [ycor]) - 60 k3, setpos list (ask "kyle [xcor]) - 35 (ask "kyle [ycor]) + 10 k4, setpos list (ask "kyle [xcor]) - 35 (ask "kyle [ycor]) - 60 end * * * Wendy Petti MicroWorlds in Action http://mia.openworldlearning.org > -----Original Message----- > From: mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com > [mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com]On Behalf Of Daniel Ajoy > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 4:44 PM > To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com > Subject: Re: [MWForum]random numbers, filling > > > On 8 Feb 2004 at 11:23, Karen Randall wrote: > > > Greetings, > > Hi Karen, > > > > Would one of you be kind enough to comment on our class conclusions > > about a couple small programming problems? Is there a more elegant > > way around them? > > > > 1. The kids want to have random number inputs to setting turtle > > coordinate locations. We've been able to do this using setx and sety > > separately, but not setpos followed by something such as [random 20 > > random 20]. Is this correct? Can you help us understand why one > > works but not the other? > > That is because [random 20 random 20] is a list with four items: one > word (random), one number (20), one word and one number. > > show first [random 20 random 20] > random > > show item 1 [random 20 random 20] > random > > show item 2 [random 20 random 20] > 20 > > show item 3 [random 20 random 20] > random > > show item 4 [random 20 random 20] > 20 > > What you need is a list of two numbers, like: > > show list random 20 random 20 > 1 17 > > show list random 20 random 20 > 3 19 > > show list random 20 random 20 > 18 14 > > "random 20" is a number > "random 20" is a another number > "list" takes both numbers and makes a list with them > > > > 2. When trying to fill shapes, we're adding the extra commands to > > get the turtle inside the shape and off the line it drew getting > > there so the fill command works, and then sometimes there is still > > something not cooperating. Lifting the pen before moving the turtle > > inside the shape helps a little, but is there an easier way to get > > solid color shapes (via the turtle and not the graphics tools)? > > Here is a general procedure to draw a filled square, > everything cooperates: > > to square :side :color > setc :color > repeat 4 [fd :side rt 90] > pu rt 45 fd :side fill bk :side rt 45 pd > end > > > Daniel > OpenWorld Learning > > _______________________________________________ > MWForum mailing list > MWForum@lists.mathcats.com > http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum > Attachments archived at: > http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html > To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact > mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com > From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Mon Feb 9 17:39:18 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Daniel Ajoy) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 12:39:18 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]RE: random numbers with setpos In-Reply-To: References: <40266751.18560.189022@localhost> Message-ID: <40277F76.16735.101D7ED@localhost> On 9 Feb 2004 at 11:33, Wendy Petti wrote: > Example 1: > setpos random 200 random 200 setpos random 200 random 200 setpos does not like 4 as input This is the correct command: setpos list random 200 random 200 or these: setpos sentence random 200 random 200 setpos se random 200 random 200 setpos (se random 200 random 200) setpos (list random 200 random 200) > (This command would only place the turtle in the upper right quadrant.) > > * * * > > Example 2: > setpos -250 + random 500 setpos -150 + random 300 setpos -250 + random 500 setpos -150 + random 300 setpos does not like 150 as input Same thing here: setpos list -250 + random 500 setpos -150 + random 300 > Example 3: > setpos (se -250 + random 500 -150 + random 300) > > (This command does *exactly* the same thing as Example 2, using se > (sentence) instead of list. Note that when when more than 2 inputs are > being combined using SE, then the SE command and its inputs need to be > enclosed in parentheses.) But that is not the case here: setpos se -250 + random 500 -150 + random 300 works just as well because setpos se -250 + random 500 -150 + random 300 is the same thing as: setpos se (-250 + random 500) (-150 + random 300) Daniel OpenWorld Learning From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Mon Feb 9 18:05:08 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Wendy Petti) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 13:05:08 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]RE: random numbers with setpos In-Reply-To: <40277F76.16735.101D7ED@localhost> Message-ID: Whoops!! I can't believe I left out the LIST command in my examples of how to use LIST! I tested my examples in MW using LIST but when I retyped them into the message I must have spaced out. Thanks for the corrections, Daniel! And thanks for setting me straight on the use of SE, too. Wendy From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Mon Feb 9 18:18:05 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Daniel Ajoy) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 13:18:05 -0500 Subject: [MWForum](Fwd) Re: Question about Logo programming please? In-Reply-To: <40261701.15416.181E6A@localhost> Message-ID: <4027888D.28293.1255D4A@localhost> --Message-Boundary-5131 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Hi Stephane, I found a way using Excel. You'll need to put the attached workbook in the folder of your MicroWorlds project. 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mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Wed Feb 11 15:46:06 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Ask an Expert - Question) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 10:46:06 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]Re: MIA, Ask an Expert Question Message-ID: <402A07EE.23117.A420E2@localhost> This is an automatic message sent from the web form at: http://mia.openworldlearning.org/howdoi.htm from: "jayne" date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 8:20:31 -0700 how can i make a square repeat inside itself making the square smaller each time From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Wed Feb 11 15:56:48 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Daniel Ajoy) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 10:56:48 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]Re: MIA, Ask an Expert Question Message-ID: <402A0A70.1146.ADEEF0@localhost> On 11 Feb 2004 at 8:17, askanexpert@openworldlearning.org wrote: > from: "jayne" jayne.harvey27@ntlworld.com > date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 8:17:26 -0700 > > how can i repeat a square within a square making it smaller each time Here's a way. Do you notice a pattern? to all_of_them pd square0 pu fd 10 rt 90 fd 10 lt 90 pd square1 pu fd 10 rt 90 fd 10 lt 90 pd square2 pu fd 10 rt 90 fd 10 lt 90 end to square0 repeat 4 [fd 200 rt 90] end to square1 repeat 4 [fd 180 rt 90] end to square2 repeat 4 [fd 160 rt 90] end Daniel OpenWorld Learning From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Sat Feb 14 14:40:17 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Ask an Expert - Question) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 09:40:17 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]MIA, Ask an Expert Question Message-ID: <402DED01.1845.9D14DE@localhost>
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from: teisberg@adelphia.net
date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 7:37:27 -0700

I understand there is a Microworlds Logo 2.0 that my son is
using in a class, and a Microworlds EX Robotic Edition (or
something like that) which can program the Lego RCX.  My
son will what to program his RCX, but he also wants the his
Logo to be like the one he uses at his class.  Will the
Robitics Edition of Microworlds work like MicroWorlds 2.0,
but with the added robitics capability?

Thanks.
Tom

From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Sat Feb 14 23:10:28 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Adam Black) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 10:10:28 +1100 Subject: [MWForum]please remove me from the mailing list Message-ID: _________________________________________________________________ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Wed Feb 11 15:06:17 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Waldron, Jennifer) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 10:06:17 -0500 Subject: [MWForum](no subject) Message-ID: Hi there, Question for anyone out there...... In our school we have just purchsed MicroWorlds Robotic EX for Windows XP. I have used the more basic MicroWorlds Logo software before and am vexed by the following. In the basics programming mode, a user can write a procedure for a regular polygon taking in consideration that the number of sides that polygon has relates to 360 degrees. A procedure for a pentagon would write like this: to pentagon repeat 5 [fd 50 rt 360 / 5] end It also could be written as follows, depending on whether you wanted to have the computer do the math for you: to pentagon repeat 5 [fd 50 rt 72] end In probing why the number of sides relates to the angles (having to add up to 360) what angles are refered to? I am wanting to know why this is so. I have heard this refered to as Total Trip Theorem. Can anyone shed some light on this? Thanks Jen From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Sun Feb 15 02:32:42 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Daniel Ajoy) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 21:32:42 -0500 Subject: [MWForum] Total Trip Theorem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <402E93FA.27329.151224@localhost> --Message-Boundary-5843 Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body
On 11 Feb 2004 at 10:06, Waldron, Jennifer wrote:

> In probing why the number of sides relates to the angles
> (having to add up to 360) what angles are refered to? I am
> wanting to know why this is so.
> I have heard this refered to as Total Trip Theorem.  Can
> anyone shed some light on this?

These:

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show -90 + 135 + 90 + 135 - 90 + 90 + 90
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Daniel
OpenWorld Learning
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Sun Feb 15 02:48:46 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Susan Weiss) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 21:48:46 -0500 Subject: [MWForum](no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: When I do this I start with the square and the way the turtle keeps on going around in a circle. I always start with regular shapes. We are looking at the external angles which is the path that the turtle is taking as it goes in the same direction. Susan Weiss >Hi there, >Question for anyone out there...... >In our school we have just purchsed MicroWorlds Robotic EX >for Windows XP. I have used the more basic MicroWorlds Logo >software before and am vexed by the following. >In the basics programming mode, a user can write a >procedure for a regular polygon taking in consideration >that the number of sides that polygon has relates to 360 >degrees. A procedure for a pentagon would write like this: >to pentagon >repeat 5 [fd 50 rt 360 / 5] >end >It also could be written as follows, depending on whether >you wanted to have the computer do the math for you: >to pentagon >repeat 5 [fd 50 rt 72] >end >In probing why the number of sides relates to the angles >(having to add up to 360) what angles are refered to? I am >wanting to know why this is so. >I have heard this refered to as Total Trip Theorem. Can >anyone shed some light on this? >Thanks >Jen >_______________________________________________ >MWForum mailing list >MWForum@lists.mathcats.com >http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum >Attachments archived at: >http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html >To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact >mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Mon Feb 16 01:15:00 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Pavel Boytchev) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 03:15:00 +0200 Subject: [MWForum](no subject) References: Message-ID: <40301994.DD5ABBD4@elica.net> > >In probing why the number of sides relates to the angles > >(having to add up to 360) what angles are refered to? I am > >wanting to know why this is so. If you draw a polygon with N sides, the turtle should definitely turn N times. Because angles (orientation, turtle's heading) do not change during FORWARD movement, the final orientation will be the same as if the turtle only turns around (and does not move forward). So, if the turtle stays on one place and makes N turns to the left, and if the final orientation is the same as the initial one, then all turn angles should have a sum = 360. If the angles are the same, then each of them should be 360/N. Thus, the following code: repeat :N [ fd 10 lt 360/:N] will draw a square when N=4, and a pentagon when N=5, and the bigger the N is, the more circle-like the polygon is. This is a simplification of a more general phenomena. [1] The overall turn angle is not necessarily equal to 360 degrees. It can also be 360*K where K is integer number (0, 360, -360, 720, -720,...) So if the overall turn angle is 360 degrees, this is just the case when K=1 [2] If you have both left and right turns, you must convert all of them into only left, or into only right (by using that LT :A = RT 0-:A). When you calculate the total sum of angles (positive and negative angles), the result must be 360*K if the final orientation is the same as the initial one. Pavel From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Mon Feb 16 11:32:40 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Steve Robson) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:32:40 +0000 Subject: [MWForum]Re: a very simple polygon procedure Message-ID:

This is very, very simple but draws what you ask it to.

to poly :sides
repeat :sides[fd 100 rt 360 / :sides]
end

Then call poly 4 (or whatever)
Cheers

Steve

From: Pavel Boytchev
Reply-To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com
To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com
Subject: Re: [MWForum](no subject)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 03:15:00 +0200
> >In probing why the number of sides relates to the angles
> >(having to add up to 360) what angles are refered to? I am
> >wanting to know why this is so.
If you draw a polygon with N sides, the turtle should definitely turn N
times. Because angles (orientation, turtle's heading) do not change
during FORWARD movement, the final orientation will be the same as if
the turtle only turns around (and does not move forward). So, if the
turtle stays on one place and makes N turns to the left, and if the
final orientation is the same as the initial one, then all turn angles
should have a sum = 360. If the angles are the same, then each of them
should be 360/N. Thus, the following code:
repeat :N [ fd 10 lt 360/:N]
will draw a square when N=4, and a pentagon when N=5, and the bigger the
N is, the more circle-like the polygon is.
This is a simplification of a more general phenomena.
[1] The overall turn angle is not necessarily equal to 360 degrees. It
can also be 360*K where K is integer number (0, 360, -360, 720,
-720,...) So if the overall turn angle is 360 degrees, this is just the
case when K=1
[2] If you have both left and right turns, you must convert all of them
into only left, or into only right (by using that LT :A = RT 0-:A). When
you calculate the total sum of angles (positive and negative angles),
the result must be 360*K if the final orientation is the same as the
initial one.
Pavel
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Find out more about the new range of Premium Web services from MSN. Click here for more information. From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Wed Feb 18 02:19:17 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Tony Wilson) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 13:19:17 +1100 Subject: [MWForum]transition form page to page Message-ID: <20040218021918.4FD74EC137@adm3.vicceo.schools.net.au> Dear All, Does anyone know a way to move from page to page quickly (we are doing clay animation and I am hoping to run a quick slideshow on MW2)? There may be many slides and I am looking for a quicker way of moving from page to page than page1 wait 2 page2 wait 2 page3 wait 2 .. Thanks Tony. Pavel Boytchev on Mon, 16 Feb 2004 03:15:00 +0200 wrote: > > >In probing why the number of sides relates to the angles > > >(having to add up to 360) what angles are refered to? I am > > >wanting to know why this is so. > > If you draw a polygon with N sides, the turtle should definitely turn N > times. Because angles (orientation, turtle's heading) do not change > during FORWARD movement, the final orientation will be the same as if > the turtle only turns around (and does not move forward). So, if the > turtle stays on one place and makes N turns to the left, and if the > final orientation is the same as the initial one, then all turn angles > should have a sum = 360. If the angles are the same, then each of them > should be 360/N. Thus, the following code: > > repeat :N [ fd 10 lt 360/:N] > > will draw a square when N=4, and a pentagon when N=5, and the bigger the > N is, the more circle-like the polygon is. > > This is a simplification of a more general phenomena. > > [1] The overall turn angle is not necessarily equal to 360 degrees. It > can also be 360*K where K is integer number (0, 360, -360, 720, > -720,...) So if the overall turn angle is 360 degrees, this is just the > case when K=1 > > [2] If you have both left and right turns, you must convert all of them > into only left, or into only right (by using that LT :A = RT 0-:A). When > you calculate the total sum of angles (positive and negative angles), > the result must be 360*K if the final orientation is the same as the > initial one. > > Pavel > > _______________________________________________ > MWForum mailing list > MWForum@lists.mathcats.com > http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum > Attachments archived at: > http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html > To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact > mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com --- Tony Wilson Computer Coordinator Holy Eucharist School St Albans From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Wed Feb 18 04:06:27 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Wendy Petti) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 23:06:27 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]transition from page to page In-Reply-To: <20040218021918.4FD74EC137@adm3.vicceo.schools.net.au> Message-ID: Do these really need to be separate pages in the project, or can you save them as external GIF or JPEG files (stored in the same folder as the MW project) and then load them with the LOADPICT command? I used to do such slideshows with my students a lot, and we often used a slider to control the speed of the slideshow. If you have animated turtles on each page, this strategy wouldn't work. But it sounds as if you are only pausing 2/10 of a second per page, so I'm guessing each page is static. If by "quicker" you are looking for a more automated way of making the code for the slideshow, here is the code I used to generate a slideshow automatically without having to type in file names: * * * * * to slideshow if :no > count pictlist [make "no 1] clean loadpict item :no pictlist cc show item :no pictlist wait speed make "no :no + 1 slideshow end * * * * * then you'd make a button named SLIDESHOW and a slider called SPEED. This project would load the picture files in alphabetical order. Aside from ease of use, another advantage is that the project can accommodate any number of "pages" (external graphics files) in this way. Otherwise, some versions of MW have a 20-page maximum; I'm not sure if any have higher limits. It is also possible to automate the saving and naming of the graphics files. My students used to generate a whole-class automatic slideshow within one class period using the procedures below in conjunction with the procedures above (and saving to a shared network folder): * * * * * [These procedures are used with 2 textboxes: MY.NAME (student types name in this box at beginning of class) and PICTURE.NAME (an invisible textbox used to compile the file name). A button named SAVE.THIS.PICTURE triggers the automatic saving and naming of the file; the student only needs to click the button.] to startup picture.name, ct make "no 1 end to Save.this.picture picturename savepict picture.name announce [Your picture has been saved.] end to picturename make "picture# 1 + count pictlist picture.name, ct insert :picture# insert my.name insert ".gif end [Note: If you would like the graphics file name to include a project name along with the class and student name, you may include this command in the PICTURENAME procedure, possible right above the INSERT MY.NAME command: insert "projectname (only replace the word PROJECTNAME with the desired word).] * * * * * Wendy Petti MicroWorlds in Action http://mia.openworldlearning.org Math Cats http://www.mathcats.com > -----Original Message----- > From: mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com > [mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com]On Behalf Of Tony Wilson > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 9:19 PM > To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com > Subject: [MWForum]transition form page to page > > > Dear All, > Does anyone know a way to move from page to page quickly (we are > doing clay animation and I am hoping to run a quick slideshow on MW2)? > There may be many slides and I am looking for a quicker way of > moving from page to page than > page1 wait 2 page2 wait 2 page3 wait 2 .. > Thanks > Tony. From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Wed Feb 18 04:08:50 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Daniel Ajoy) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 23:08:50 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]transition form page to page In-Reply-To: <20040218021918.4FD74EC137@adm3.vicceo.schools.net.au> Message-ID: <40329F02.2475.62234C@localhost> On 18 Feb 2004 at 13:19, Tony Wilson wrote: > Dear All, > Does anyone know a way to move from page to page quickly (we are doing clay animation and I am > hoping to run a quick slideshow on MW2)? > There may be many slides and I am looking for a quicker way of moving from page to page than > page1 wait 2 page2 wait 2 page3 wait 2 .. > Thanks > Tony. > Hi Tony, what's wrong with: page1 page2 page3 ... Daniel OpenWorld Learning From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Wed Feb 18 04:34:46 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Tony Wilson) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:34:46 +1100 Subject: [MWForum]transition from page to page Message-ID: <20040218043446.97E40EC136@adm3.vicceo.schools.net.au> Thanks Wendy and Daniel, I will try out your suggestions, Wendy. I liked yours too Daniel, but there may be as many as 100 pictures and it could be a bit tedious. I am trying to push Microworlds amongst the staff and if it is too much of a bother they will want to use a media player or powerpoint. I am hoping the kids can see the value and power of programming. Thanks again, Tony. "Wendy Petti" on Tue, 17 Feb 2004 23:06:27 -0500 wrote: > Do these really need to be separate pages in the project, or can you save > them as external GIF or JPEG files (stored in the same folder as the MW > project) and then load them with the LOADPICT command? I used to do such > slideshows with my students a lot, and we often used a slider to control the > speed of the slideshow. If you have animated turtles on each page, this > strategy wouldn't work. But it sounds as if you are only pausing 2/10 of a > second per page, so I'm guessing each page is static. > > If by "quicker" you are looking for a more automated way of making the code > for the slideshow, here is the code I used to generate a slideshow > automatically without having to type in file names: > > * * * * * > > to slideshow > if :no > count pictlist [make "no 1] > clean > loadpict item :no pictlist > cc show item :no pictlist > wait speed > make "no :no + 1 > slideshow > end > > * * * * * > > then you'd make a button named SLIDESHOW and a slider called SPEED. > This project would load the picture files in alphabetical order. > > Aside from ease of use, another advantage is that the project can > accommodate any number of "pages" (external graphics files) in this way. > Otherwise, some versions of MW have a 20-page maximum; I'm not sure if any > have higher limits. > > It is also possible to automate the saving and naming of the graphics files. > My students used to generate a whole-class automatic slideshow within one > class period using the procedures below in conjunction with the procedures > above (and saving to a shared network folder): > > * * * * * > [These procedures are used with 2 textboxes: MY.NAME (student types name in > this box at beginning of class) and PICTURE.NAME (an invisible textbox used > to compile the file name). A button named SAVE.THIS.PICTURE triggers the > automatic saving and naming of the file; the student only needs to click the > button.] > > to startup > picture.name, ct > make "no 1 > end > > to Save.this.picture > picturename > savepict picture.name > announce [Your picture has been saved.] > end > > to picturename > make "picture# 1 + count pictlist > picture.name, ct > insert :picture# > insert my.name > insert ".gif > end > > [Note: If you would like the graphics file name to include a project name > along with the class and student name, you may include this command in the > PICTURENAME procedure, possible right above the INSERT MY.NAME command: > > insert "projectname > > (only replace the word PROJECTNAME with the desired word).] > > * * * * * > > Wendy Petti > MicroWorlds in Action > http://mia.openworldlearning.org > Math Cats > http://www.mathcats.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com > > [mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com]On Behalf Of Tony Wilson > > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 9:19 PM > > To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com > > Subject: [MWForum]transition form page to page > > > > > > Dear All, > > Does anyone know a way to move from page to page quickly (we are > > doing clay animation and I am hoping to run a quick slideshow on MW2)? > > There may be many slides and I am looking for a quicker way of > > moving from page to page than > > page1 wait 2 page2 wait 2 page3 wait 2 .. > > Thanks > > Tony. > > > > _______________________________________________ > MWForum mailing list > MWForum@lists.mathcats.com > http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum > Attachments archived at: > http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html > To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact > mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com --- Tony Wilson Computer Coordinator Holy Eucharist School St Albans From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Wed Feb 18 04:57:02 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Tony Wilson) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:57:02 +1100 Subject: [MWForum]transition from page to page Message-ID: <20040218045702.D63D3EC137@adm3.vicceo.schools.net.au> Wendy, I am getting this error message when I try your suggestion: 'no has no value in slideshow' Can you put me on the right track? Thanks, Tony. "Wendy Petti" on Tue, 17 Feb 2004 23:06:27 -0500 wrote: > Do these really need to be separate pages in the project, or can you save > them as external GIF or JPEG files (stored in the same folder as the MW > project) and then load them with the LOADPICT command? I used to do such > slideshows with my students a lot, and we often used a slider to control the > speed of the slideshow. If you have animated turtles on each page, this > strategy wouldn't work. But it sounds as if you are only pausing 2/10 of a > second per page, so I'm guessing each page is static. > > If by "quicker" you are looking for a more automated way of making the code > for the slideshow, here is the code I used to generate a slideshow > automatically without having to type in file names: > > * * * * * > > to slideshow > if :no > count pictlist [make "no 1] > clean > loadpict item :no pictlist > cc show item :no pictlist > wait speed > make "no :no + 1 > slideshow > end > > * * * * * > > then you'd make a button named SLIDESHOW and a slider called SPEED. > This project would load the picture files in alphabetical order. > > Aside from ease of use, another advantage is that the project can > accommodate any number of "pages" (external graphics files) in this way. > Otherwise, some versions of MW have a 20-page maximum; I'm not sure if any > have higher limits. > > It is also possible to automate the saving and naming of the graphics files. > My students used to generate a whole-class automatic slideshow within one > class period using the procedures below in conjunction with the procedures > above (and saving to a shared network folder): > > * * * * * > [These procedures are used with 2 textboxes: MY.NAME (student types name in > this box at beginning of class) and PICTURE.NAME (an invisible textbox used > to compile the file name). A button named SAVE.THIS.PICTURE triggers the > automatic saving and naming of the file; the student only needs to click the > button.] > > to startup > picture.name, ct > make "no 1 > end > > to Save.this.picture > picturename > savepict picture.name > announce [Your picture has been saved.] > end > > to picturename > make "picture# 1 + count pictlist > picture.name, ct > insert :picture# > insert my.name > insert ".gif > end > > [Note: If you would like the graphics file name to include a project name > along with the class and student name, you may include this command in the > PICTURENAME procedure, possible right above the INSERT MY.NAME command: > > insert "projectname > > (only replace the word PROJECTNAME with the desired word).] > > * * * * * > > Wendy Petti > MicroWorlds in Action > http://mia.openworldlearning.org > Math Cats > http://www.mathcats.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com > > [mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com]On Behalf Of Tony Wilson > > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 9:19 PM > > To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com > > Subject: [MWForum]transition form page to page > > > > > > Dear All, > > Does anyone know a way to move from page to page quickly (we are > > doing clay animation and I am hoping to run a quick slideshow on MW2)? > > There may be many slides and I am looking for a quicker way of > > moving from page to page than > > page1 wait 2 page2 wait 2 page3 wait 2 .. > > Thanks > > Tony. > > > > _______________________________________________ > MWForum mailing list > MWForum@lists.mathcats.com > http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum > Attachments archived at: > http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html > To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact > mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com --- Tony Wilson Computer Coordinator Holy Eucharist School St Albans From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Wed Feb 18 05:00:45 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Tony Wilson) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 16:00:45 +1100 Subject: [MWForum]transition from page to page Message-ID: <20040218050046.11FD9EC138@adm3.vicceo.schools.net.au> Hang on, I think I see. Tony "Wendy Petti" on Tue, 17 Feb 2004 23:06:27 -0500 wrote: > Do these really need to be separate pages in the project, or can you save > them as external GIF or JPEG files (stored in the same folder as the MW > project) and then load them with the LOADPICT command? I used to do such > slideshows with my students a lot, and we often used a slider to control the > speed of the slideshow. If you have animated turtles on each page, this > strategy wouldn't work. But it sounds as if you are only pausing 2/10 of a > second per page, so I'm guessing each page is static. > > If by "quicker" you are looking for a more automated way of making the code > for the slideshow, here is the code I used to generate a slideshow > automatically without having to type in file names: > > * * * * * > > to slideshow > if :no > count pictlist [make "no 1] > clean > loadpict item :no pictlist > cc show item :no pictlist > wait speed > make "no :no + 1 > slideshow > end > > * * * * * > > then you'd make a button named SLIDESHOW and a slider called SPEED. > This project would load the picture files in alphabetical order. > > Aside from ease of use, another advantage is that the project can > accommodate any number of "pages" (external graphics files) in this way. > Otherwise, some versions of MW have a 20-page maximum; I'm not sure if any > have higher limits. > > It is also possible to automate the saving and naming of the graphics files. > My students used to generate a whole-class automatic slideshow within one > class period using the procedures below in conjunction with the procedures > above (and saving to a shared network folder): > > * * * * * > [These procedures are used with 2 textboxes: MY.NAME (student types name in > this box at beginning of class) and PICTURE.NAME (an invisible textbox used > to compile the file name). A button named SAVE.THIS.PICTURE triggers the > automatic saving and naming of the file; the student only needs to click the > button.] > > to startup > picture.name, ct > make "no 1 > end > > to Save.this.picture > picturename > savepict picture.name > announce [Your picture has been saved.] > end > > to picturename > make "picture# 1 + count pictlist > picture.name, ct > insert :picture# > insert my.name > insert ".gif > end > > [Note: If you would like the graphics file name to include a project name > along with the class and student name, you may include this command in the > PICTURENAME procedure, possible right above the INSERT MY.NAME command: > > insert "projectname > > (only replace the word PROJECTNAME with the desired word).] > > * * * * * > > Wendy Petti > MicroWorlds in Action > http://mia.openworldlearning.org > Math Cats > http://www.mathcats.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com > > [mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com]On Behalf Of Tony Wilson > > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 9:19 PM > > To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com > > Subject: [MWForum]transition form page to page > > > > > > Dear All, > > Does anyone know a way to move from page to page quickly (we are > > doing clay animation and I am hoping to run a quick slideshow on MW2)? > > There may be many slides and I am looking for a quicker way of > > moving from page to page than > > page1 wait 2 page2 wait 2 page3 wait 2 .. > > Thanks > > Tony. > > > > _______________________________________________ > MWForum mailing list > MWForum@lists.mathcats.com > http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum > Attachments archived at: > http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html > To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact > mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com --- Tony Wilson Computer Coordinator Holy Eucharist School St Albans From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Wed Feb 18 05:38:11 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Wendy Petti) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 00:38:11 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]transition from page to page In-Reply-To: <20040218043446.97E40EC136@adm3.vicceo.schools.net.au> Message-ID: Hi Tony, In answer to your question: > I am getting this error message when I try your suggestion: > Can you put me on the right track? ... I should have mentioned that you need to use this with a startup procedure that gives a starting value to the variable "NO. See below. I've also developed a variation of the automatic slideshow that lets you advance from slide to slide or backtrack using keys on the keyboard: N (for "New Slide") or B (for "Back") or S (for "Stop"). That allows you to linger as long as you like on one slide before going on to the next, and then to flip through a number of slides quickly by pressing N N N N N. (But for 100 slides that is a lot of N's! Still, I used it to make an easy slideshow of photos in celebration of my folks' 50th anniversary and it was very easy to create and use the slideshow. I simply needed to place a number before each slide name to set the order of the slides. You can certainly renumber or rename slides after saving them, of course.) I usually set up a two-page project so that the first page is for creating slides and the second page is for viewing the slideshow. That way the second page does not have the MY.NAME textbox, and also that way a student can be drawing a slide, pause to view the slideshow on the second page, and then return to his/her drawing without having erased it while watching the show. The optional DRAW procedure returns the user from the second page to the first (drawing) page and makes sure that the slideshow stops running. (You can put a SEE_SLIDESHOW button on the first page and write a SEE_SLIDESHOW procedure which simply sends the user to the second page with the command: PAGE2) Here are the commands for that variation. You'll need a MY.NAME textbox, an invisible PICTURE.NAME textbox, and a SLIDESHOW button. The RESET and DRAW procedures are optional. * * * * * to startup my.name, ct make "no 0 end to reset cg end to save_design picture.name, ct insert 1 + count pictlist insert "- insert my.name insert ".gif savepict picture.name announce [Your picture has been saved.] end to slideshow make "key readchar if :no > count pictlist [make :no 0] if :key = "S [stopall] if :key = "B [make "no :no - 1 if :no < 1 [make "no count pictlist] show-next-slide] if :key = "N [make "no :no + 1 if :no > count pictlist [make "no 1] show-next-slide] slideshow end to show-next-slide clean loadpict item :no pictlist cc show item :no pictlist end to draw clean page1 stopall end * * * * * I am all in favor of doing whatever we can to lower the learning threshhold for new users of MicroWorlds. I do hope that one of these automatic slideshow variations will work for you and your colleagues. I can send the actual projects if these procedures are not sufficient. If you have 100 pictures you will definitely not want to create a 100-page project; simply merging all of those pages into one project would be extremely tedious, even if you wrote a procedure to simplify the navigation from page to page... and the file size would be huge, if it would even be possible to make a project that large. Just be aware that the dimensions of the project page must be large enough for viewing the external graphics files. This is not a problem if you are loading pictures saved with MW, but it might be a problem if you are loading digital photos, etc... you might need to resize them. (And yes, you can use MW to resize them, too, but we won't get into that in this message.) Wendy Petti MicroWorlds in Action http://mia.openworldlearning.org Math Cats http://www.mathcats.com > -----Original Message----- > From: mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com > [mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com]On Behalf Of Tony Wilson > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 11:35 PM > To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com > Subject: RE: [MWForum]transition from page to page > > > Thanks Wendy and Daniel, > I will try out your suggestions, Wendy. I liked yours too Daniel, > but there may be as many as 100 pictures and it could be a bit tedious. > I am trying to push Microworlds amongst the staff and if it is > too much of a bother they will want to use a media player or powerpoint. > I am hoping the kids can see the value and power of programming. > Thanks again, > Tony. From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Wed Feb 18 12:02:11 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Daniel Ajoy) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:02:11 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]transition from page to page In-Reply-To: <20040218043446.97E40EC136@adm3.vicceo.schools.net.au> Message-ID: <40330DF3.6858.195A9F@localhost> On 18 Feb 2004 at 15:34, Tony Wilson wrote: > Thanks Wendy and Daniel, > I will try out your suggestions, Wendy. I liked yours too Daniel, but there may be as many as 100 > pictures and it could be a bit tedious. > But this would go through pages 1 to 100 dotimes [pg 100] [run word "page 1 + :pg] without having to say: page1 page2 page3 ... explicitly. But is looks like the maximum number of pages is 25: repeat 100 [newpage] The maximum number of pages is 25 Daniel OpenWorld Learning From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Sun Feb 22 14:29:05 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Lauren Pacini) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 06:29:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [MWForum]Syntax not working In-Reply-To: <40330DF3.6858.195A9F@localhost> Message-ID: <20040222142905.28573.qmail@web20608.mail.yahoo.com> I am trying to create a simple macro substitution but the local variable syntax is not working, so I am clearly missing a step! The help file shows the follow, but tells me "I don't know how to to" to square :size repeat 4 [fd :size rt 90] end My desired result is: to shape :value repeat :value [fd 100 re 360 / :value] end Thanks!!! Lauren __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Sun Feb 22 14:35:04 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Wendy Petti) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 09:35:04 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]Syntax not working In-Reply-To: <20040222142905.28573.qmail@web20608.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: When you use the procedure (in the command center or on a button), type this: SHAPE 6 Don't type: TO SHAPE 6 I'm guessing that is why you are getting the error message, because you are including TO in your command. You have a typo in your procedure too; it should be RT instead of RE. Wendy Petti MicroWorlds in Action http://mia.openworldlearning.org Math Cats http://www.mathcats.com > -----Original Message----- > From: mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com > [mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com]On Behalf Of Lauren Pacini > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 9:29 AM > To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com > Subject: [MWForum]Syntax not working > > > I am trying to create a simple macro substitution but > the local variable syntax is not working, so I am > clearly missing a step! > > The help file shows the follow, but tells me "I don't > know how to to" > > to square :size > repeat 4 [fd :size rt 90] > end > > My desired result is: > > to shape :value > repeat :value [fd 100 re 360 / :value] > end > > Thanks!!! > > Lauren > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. > http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools > _______________________________________________ > MWForum mailing list > MWForum@lists.mathcats.com > http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum > Attachments archived at: > http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html > To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact > mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com > From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Sun Feb 22 16:25:06 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Lauren Pacini) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 08:25:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [MWForum]Syntax not working In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040222162506.28412.qmail@web20610.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for pointing out the typo -- haste makes waste! As for the "SHAPE 6" command, that seems to return the message "I don't know what to do with turtle" so once again I missed something along the line. I typed the "To" becasue that was the syntax I used with MSW LOGO and the syntax used in the Microworlds help file! Lauren --- Wendy Petti wrote: > When you use the procedure (in the command center or > on a button), type > this: > > SHAPE 6 > > Don't type: > > TO SHAPE 6 > > I'm guessing that is why you are getting the error > message, because you are > including TO in your command. > > You have a typo in your procedure too; it should be > RT instead of RE. > > Wendy Petti > MicroWorlds in Action > http://mia.openworldlearning.org > Math Cats > http://www.mathcats.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com > > [mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com]On Behalf > Of Lauren Pacini > > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 9:29 AM > > To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com > > Subject: [MWForum]Syntax not working > > > > > > I am trying to create a simple macro substitution > but > > the local variable syntax is not working, so I am > > clearly missing a step! > > > > The help file shows the follow, but tells me "I > don't > > know how to to" > > > > to square :size > > repeat 4 [fd :size rt 90] > > end > > > > My desired result is: > > > > to shape :value > > repeat :value [fd 100 re 360 / :value] > > end > > > > Thanks!!! > > > > Lauren > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! 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Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Sun Feb 22 16:31:57 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Susan van Gelder) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:31:57 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]Syntax not working In-Reply-To: <20040222162506.28412.qmail@web20610.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040222162506.28412.qmail@web20610.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You cannot name a procedure shape because that is a reserved name - a reporter that tells you the name of the shape the turtle is. You need to name your procedure something else, like shapes Susan On Feb 22, 2004, at 11:25 AM, Lauren Pacini wrote: > Thanks for pointing out the typo -- haste makes waste! > As for the "SHAPE 6" command, that seems to return the > message "I don't know what to do with turtle" so once > again I missed something along the line. I typed the > "To" becasue that was the syntax I used with MSW LOGO > and the syntax used in the Microworlds help file! > > Lauren > > > --- Wendy Petti wrote: >> When you use the procedure (in the command center or >> on a button), type >> this: >> >> SHAPE 6 >> >> Don't type: >> >> TO SHAPE 6 >> >> I'm guessing that is why you are getting the error >> message, because you are >> including TO in your command. >> >> You have a typo in your procedure too; it should be >> RT instead of RE. >> >> Wendy Petti >> MicroWorlds in Action >> http://mia.openworldlearning.org >> Math Cats >> http://www.mathcats.com >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com >>> [mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com]On Behalf >> Of Lauren Pacini >>> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 9:29 AM >>> To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com >>> Subject: [MWForum]Syntax not working >>> >>> >>> I am trying to create a simple macro substitution >> but >>> the local variable syntax is not working, so I am >>> clearly missing a step! >>> >>> The help file shows the follow, but tells me "I >> don't >>> know how to to" >>> >>> to square :size >>> repeat 4 [fd :size rt 90] >>> end >>> >>> My desired result is: >>> >>> to shape :value >>> repeat :value [fd 100 re 360 / :value] >>> end >>> >>> Thanks!!! >>> >>> Lauren >>> >>> >>> __________________________________ >>> Do you Yahoo!? >>> Yahoo! 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Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. > http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools > _______________________________________________ > MWForum mailing list > MWForum@lists.mathcats.com > http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum > Attachments archived at: > http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html > To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact > mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com > > *************************************************************** Susan van Gelder susanvg@videotron.ca From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Sun Feb 22 18:32:27 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Wendy Petti) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:32:27 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]Syntax not working In-Reply-To: <20040222162506.28412.qmail@web20610.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Oops! Susan is certainly right; you cannot use SHAPE as a procedure name. Also, to clarify: you do indeed use TO when you are naming a procedure. But you don't use TO when you are calling the procedure (when you are activating it). So here is what you might use: [on the procedures page] to polygon :value repeat :value [fd 100 rt 360 / :value] end [and then, in the command center] polygon 6 [OR on the project page, for a button name] polygon 6 By the way, if you would like the user to be able to control the number of sides, you could use a slider named (for instance) #SIDES and then revise your procedure like this: TO POLYGON REPEAT #SIDES [FD 100 RT 360 / #SIDES] END Note that in this case, when you are using a slider for the input to a variable, you do not need to create a variable in the procedure name and you do not use a colon before the name of the slider. In the command center or in a button name you would simply have the word POLYGON, and the procedure would use the selected value on the #SIDES slider. Wendy From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Sun Feb 22 20:59:39 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Ask an Expert - Question) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 15:59:39 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]main differences between MicroWorlds Pro and MicroWorlds EX Message-ID: <4038D1EB.16024.74FC6@localhost>
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from: "Christine" <cwasulko@earthlink.net>
date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:59:56 -0700

What are the main differences between MicroWorlds Pro and
MicroWorlds EX?  I am a student researching these programs
for a case study.

Thank you!

From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Sun Feb 22 21:21:00 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Daniel Ajoy) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:21:00 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]Syntax not working In-Reply-To: References: <20040222162506.28412.qmail@web20610.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4038D6EC.16075.1ADCA0@localhost> On 22 Feb 2004 at 11:31, Susan van Gelder wrote: > You cannot name a procedure shape because that is a reserved name - a > reporter that tells you the name of the shape the turtle is. > Interesting! The name of the shape of a turtle without a shape is turtle :) show shape turtle show sentence "slow shape slow turtle setshape "dog1 show sentence "slow shape slow dog1 Daniel OpenWorld Learning From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Sun Feb 22 23:28:44 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Lauren Pacini) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 15:28:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [MWForum]Syntax not working In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040222232844.91823.qmail@web20605.mail.yahoo.com> Aaaaaaah.....I forgot about Procedures Page vs. Command Center! Back to the drawing board! Thanks, everyone! Lauren --- Wendy Petti wrote: > Oops! Susan is certainly right; you cannot use > SHAPE as a procedure name. > Also, to clarify: you do indeed use TO when you are > naming a procedure. > But you don't use TO when you are calling the > procedure (when you are > activating it). So here is what you might use: > > [on the procedures page] > > to polygon :value > repeat :value [fd 100 rt 360 / :value] > end > > [and then, in the command center] > > polygon 6 > > [OR on the project page, for a button name] > > polygon 6 > > By the way, if you would like the user to be able to > control the number of > sides, you could use a slider named (for instance) > #SIDES and then revise > your procedure like this: > > TO POLYGON > REPEAT #SIDES [FD 100 RT 360 / #SIDES] > END > > Note that in this case, when you are using a slider > for the input to a > variable, you do not need to create a variable in > the procedure name and you > do not use a colon before the name of the slider. > In the command center or > in a button name you would simply have the word > POLYGON, and the procedure > would use the selected value on the #SIDES slider. > > Wendy > > > > > _______________________________________________ > MWForum mailing list > MWForum@lists.mathcats.com > http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum > Attachments archived at: > http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html > To unsubscribe or for administrative questions > contact > mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Mon Feb 23 18:57:36 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Ask an Expert - Question) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 13:57:36 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]multi.poly Message-ID: <403A06D0.18629.FFAC8B@localhost> This is an automatic message sent from the web form at: http://mia.openworldlearning.org/howdoi.htm from: "Alisha" date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:32:47 -0700 how do you write a superprocedure called multi.poly :nsides using the make command to create a drawing of five embedded regular polygons: a triangle, a square, a pentagon, a hexagon, and a heptagon? Daniel From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Mon Feb 23 19:10:32 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Lauren Pacini) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:10:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [MWForum]multi.poly In-Reply-To: <403A06D0.18629.FFAC8B@localhost> Message-ID: <20040223191032.67781.qmail@web20601.mail.yahoo.com> Daniel -- what is the value of nsides? Lauren --- Ask an Expert - Question wrote: > This is an automatic message sent from the web form > at: > http://mia.openworldlearning.org/howdoi.htm > > from: "Alisha" > date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:32:47 -0700 > > how do you write a superprocedure called multi.poly > :nsides > using the make command to create a drawing of five > embedded > regular polygons: a triangle, a square, a pentagon, > a > hexagon, and a heptagon? > > > Daniel > > _______________________________________________ > MWForum mailing list > MWForum@lists.mathcats.com > http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum > Attachments archived at: > http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html > To unsubscribe or for administrative questions > contact > mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Mon Feb 23 22:14:05 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Daniel Ajoy) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 17:14:05 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]multi.poly In-Reply-To: <20040223191032.67781.qmail@web20601.mail.yahoo.com> References: <403A06D0.18629.FFAC8B@localhost> Message-ID: <403A34DD.11652.B13C5@localhost> On 23 Feb 2004 at 11:10, Lauren Pacini wrote: > Daniel -- what is the value of nsides? > > Lauren It's the number of sides of the regular polygons. But it was Alisha's question: > from: "Alisha" > date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:32:47 -0700 > > how do you write a superprocedure called multi.poly :nsides > using the make command to create a drawing of five embedded > regular polygons: a triangle, a square, a pentagon, a > hexagon, and a heptagon? From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Mon Feb 23 23:16:56 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Daniel Ajoy) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 18:16:56 -0500 Subject: [MWForum] multi.poly In-Reply-To: <403A34DD.11652.B13C5@localhost> References: <20040223191032.67781.qmail@web20601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <403A4398.22736.44A0F7@localhost> --Message-Boundary-29141 Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body
Hi Alisha,

What about this:

to multi.poly :nsides
clean pd

make "sides 3

repeat :nsides - 2 [
  poly     make "sides :sides + 1
]

end

to poly
repeat :sides [forward 60 right 360 / :sides]
end


and then try:

multi.poly 7


graphic

or

multi.poly 20

graphic



Daniel
OpenWorld Learning



> from: "Alisha" <sunfirealisha@hotmail.com>
> date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:32:47 -0700
>
> how do you write a superprocedure called multi.poly :nsides
> using the make command to create a drawing of five embedded
> regular polygons: a triangle, a square, a pentagon, a
> hexagon, and a heptagon?
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the list working smoothly? Message-ID: Hi Folks, There may be a few kinks in the MW Forum list delivery system. One subscriber told me he has not received any postings for weeks. Twenty minutes ago I sent a message to the list that did not appear in my inbox or in the archives. But the most recent message in the archives is dated Feb. 26, 16:00 hours (a time which we'll not see in the U.S. for some hours yet) and it is written by Jeff Knope in reply to a November posting which he says was written "a few days ago." I have no idea why a message he wrote in November might appear in the February archive and seems not to have arrived in our inboxes. I do apologize if any messages you've sent have not been distributed to the list or if you've not received some posted messages. Please let me know off-list (mailto:wpetti@mathcats.com) if you've experienced either of these difficulties. Thanks, Wendy Petti MWForum moderator From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Thu Feb 26 06:40:44 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Wendy Petti) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 01:40:44 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]turning teachers on to MW - the graphics are great! In-Reply-To: <20040223191032.67781.qmail@web20601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Folks, Recently on this list, Tony Wilson was asking about an easy way to use MW to run an automatic slideshow. He mentioned during that dialogue, "I am trying to push Microworlds amongst the staff and if it is too much of a bother they will want to use a media player or powerpoint. I am hoping the kids can see the value and power of programming." I think many of us have found ourselves in that same situation. We might be the lone MicroWorlds enthusiast on staff or we might be one of a small core group of MW enthusiasts, and we might be looking for ways to get more teachers excited about and comfortable with MicroWorlds even if they have no background or interest in programming. It's one thing to teach our students some programming, but I never got anywhere with trying to teach programming to my colleagues. But I did find many ways to promote the use of MicroWorlds by less tech-savvy teachers, even though they continued to need some hand-holding and encouragement. I'll share a few ideas here, more later, and I hope some of you will share ideas that have been well-received at your schools. The focus in this message is on the graphics capabilities of MicroWorlds. At my former school, we had a very limited set of software installed on our computers: MicroWorlds 2.0_ and Microsoft Office (Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Access - which we steered clear of for the most part) and also MSWorks. And then of course there were the programs that come with Windows, such as Paint and Internet Explorer. (I hated Paint and much preferred the graphics capabilities of MicroWorlds.) I became a huge fan of using MicroWorlds for all of our graphics needs, and I continue to use MicroWorlds for generating all of the graphics on my Math Cats website. In 3 1/2 years of developing that site, I have felt little or no need to shell out $$ for a more advanced graphics application. We've already seen how MW can easily be used to assemble an automatic slideshow of external JPEG or GIF files (as well as other graphics formats). Here's how I often use MW to create and edit artwork: Let's say I'm drawing a new cat for Math Cats. I use the circle/oval tool to make the basic head shape, then erase a bit and add ears. Next I draw one eye. I want the other eye to be a mirror image of the first, so I surround the first eye and copy and paste it into a shape. I open that shape and use the mirror image button to reverse the eye, then I surround that eye with the selection tool and copy it. I close that shape and paste the selected area into the cat's head. (I've used this partial mirror-image technique in lots of Math Cats projects, such as the Symmetrical Butterflies craft project: http://www.mathcats.com/crafts/symbutterflies.html.) I often use the fat bits editor (I click and drag with the selection tool then double-click inside the selected area) to get an enlarged view which I can edit pixel by pixel. I love that I can select the desired magnification with MW Pro. I copy and paste my finished cat into a shape, then I open the shape and click and drag its boundaries to crop the image closely so that I don't have any unnecessary white space around it. (This works much better in MW Pro than in MW 2.0_, for we can easily select any shape dimensions with Pro but cannot fine-tune the dimensions as much with MW 2.0_.) (I love storing graphics in the shapes center. Often I make multiple copies of a newly-drawn shape and then edit them to get variations - arms and legs in different positions; merging one graphic with another; etc.) Next I use the SAVESHAPE command (in the command center) to save my new shape as an external GIF file (or if I've cropped a photo or combined a photo with a cartoon-like drawing, I might save it as a JPEG file). Example: saveshape "orangecat.gif 17 where 17 is the number of the shape I'm saving as an external file. Now one thing to bear in mind is that a white background in a shape is transparent when used within a MicroWorlds project, but it appears as solid white when used outside MicroWorlds. If I want a transparent background for this external graphics file, I need to use another application to do this. (I used to use the drawing tools of Word to make one color transparent; I would import the graphics file, use the transparency tool to make one color transparent, then save the Word document as a web page, and in newly-generated folder accompanying the web page I would find two files, one of which was the new graphics file I needed with the transparent background.) But it is much easier to use the free Irfanview graphics viewing-editing application (www.irfanview.com) to make a transparent color; read on "transparency" in the help index to find out how. All of the graphics for Math Cats' Polygon Playground (www.mathcats.com/explore/polygons.html) and Tessellation Town (www.mathcats.com/explore/tessellationtown.html) were created with MWPro (with the help of another application for making transparent backgrounds). I combined MW Logo programming with the graphics tools to generate all of the colored polygon outlines. It is very easy to create tessellating puzzle pieces with MicroWorlds, when you copy and paste wiggly lines to form matching pairs on both sides of an altered quadrilateral (for instance). My students used to love creating tessellations with MicroWorlds. I used the rotation tool in the shapes editor to create right-side-up and upside-down triangle people. (Of course, first I created the original equilateral triangles with Logo commands.) To make very precise tessellating ocean waves I used MW Logo programming to draw the original curves and then I used the graphics tools to color the wave puzzle pieces and the coordinating fish puzzle pieces. For an example of a graphic combining a photo with a cartoon-like drawing and using a transparent background, see my self-portrait at www.mathcats.com/grownupcats.html. I used the graphics tools of MWPro to erase the background of the photo, first outlining carefully around my head (first with a white fine line tool or eraser and then with the fatter lines and with white rectangles). Then I put my head into a MicroWorlds shape, opened the shape and chose a good magnification, and drew a little cat perched on my shoulder. I saved this as a GIF image and then used Irfanview to make the white background transparent. It was fun and easy to create this composite image using MWPro. My students used to love drawing cartoon bodies under their photo heads and then animating their bodies to dance or leap or do jumping jacks or whatever. You can see examples in the "Animate Me" folder at the MicroWorlds in Action site: http://mia.openworldlearning.org/animate_me/animate_me.htm They enjoyed importing each other's cartoon-body images and using these characters in multimedia stories which they wrote using MicroWorlds textboxes. Even first-graders could do this, if we didn't worry about writing procedures to create animations. The "Animated Story" MIA folder demonstrates how even stationary characters can be used to make textboxes appear or to navigate to different project pages: http://mia.openworldlearning.org/animated_story/animated_story.htm We used to use the graphics capabilities of MW combined with textboxes to create many multimedia social studies projects. It was nice sometimes to incorporate some programmed animations, but if we are trying to get more teachers comfortable with using MicroWorlds, we can encourage them to combine static graphics and text as a first step. I also created an "empty book" project which already had empty textboxes and navigation arrows and plenty of pages already set up (another version generated pages automatically as needed, complete with new textboxes and programmed navigation arrows). It had a title page; the student just needed to type the title and author in the preformatted textboxes. It also had a planning page where students could list their characters, make note of any references, do some brainstorming, etc. I much preferred using MW for creating multimedia projects in this way rather than PowerPoint or HyperStudio, because this way we could keep the focus on generating meaningful content. With PowerPoint or HyperStudio, students begin to get too distracted by the formatting decisions before they've developed their content. With MicroWorlds, it is easy to start with a bare-bones text box and then gradually add the bells and whistles after the text is written. I will try to locate this empty book project and a few other useful template projects and share them soon with this list. I hope you'll find some of these ideas useful... and if you've managed to read to the end of this message, I congratulate you heartily! Wendy Petti MicroWorlds in Action http://mia.openworldlearning.org Math Cats http://www.mathcats.com From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Thu Feb 26 08:10:22 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Wendy Petti) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 03:10:22 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]how much MW homework help should this list provide? Message-ID: Hi again Folks, My backlogged messages have finally gotten posted to the list, so now I will raise another topic. Recently the list was asked for help in creating a set of nested polygons of different numbers of sides. I wondered to myself if this was a class assignment. We've received an almost identical (but more detailed) request for help from another student. This message was posted by a non-member and I've deferred on deciding whether or not to post it because I wanted to send this cautionary note first. I think we need to be careful to find the right balance between being helpful and being *too* helpful. When a teacher is asking for help - we help! If a student is asking for help - we coach! We can give some helpful hints or help the student get started by giving one sample procedure, perhaps... but we should not go on to complete the entire assignment, if we have any suspicions that the request is an assignment. We are not doing the student any favors if we complete the whole project for him or her. It is fine to ask questions to clarify what is the driving force behind the request before providing assistance. It is fine to ask a student to send a partially-completed project or a set of procedures so we can see what (if anything) he or she has been able to do so far. It is fine to point the student to pertinent online resources; for instance, there is a polygons folder of projects at the MicroWorlds in Action website. Thanks in advance for keeping alert to homework help requests and handling them with care. Wendy Petti MWForum moderator OWL's MicroWorlds in Action http://mia.openworldlearning.org Math Cats http://www.mathcats.com From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Thu Feb 26 17:11:37 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Mikula Family) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 09:11:37 -0800 Subject: [MWForum]turning teachers on to MW - the graphics are great! References: Message-ID: <403E28C8.3D067A32@Mikula.org> --------------3A26E448B6F3B126FB534C76 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What a great lesson on MW graphics! I use (and love) AppleWorks Paint. It is fun to take any of the graphics that come with AppleWorks or can be inserted in its paint program and turn them into shapes in MW. One great activity by 4th/5th graders for first graders was to take a copy of a scene from Once Upon a Time and use it as a bacground in MW, draw a maze on it and customize the turtle shape. The big kids loved making the mazes and the little kids learned to "drive" the turtle. Other than a screen capture, I am not sure how to capture/copy/paste a shape from MW into AppleWorks. Sometimes MW has the perfect graphic to accompany a story written in AW word processing. Is the following true? Graphics can become shapes but shapes are not graphics?? BTW, you once asked what changes would be helpful. A lasso tool would be nice, now that we are discussing graphics. Looking forward to your presentation mode lesson. Wendy Petti wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Recently on this list, Tony Wilson was asking about an easy way to use MW to > run an automatic slideshow. He mentioned during that dialogue, "I am trying > to push Microworlds amongst the staff and if it is too much of a bother they > will want to use a media player or powerpoint. I am hoping the kids can see > the value and power of programming." > > I think many of us have found ourselves in that same situation. We might be > the lone MicroWorlds enthusiast on staff or we might be one of a small core > group of MW enthusiasts, and we might be looking for ways to get more > teachers excited about and comfortable with MicroWorlds even if they have no > background or interest in programming. It's one thing to teach our students > some programming, but I never got anywhere with trying to teach programming > to my colleagues. > > But I did find many ways to promote the use of MicroWorlds by less > tech-savvy teachers, even though they continued to need some hand-holding > and encouragement. I'll share a few ideas here, more later, and I hope some > of you will share ideas that have been well-received at your schools. > > The focus in this message is on the graphics capabilities of MicroWorlds. > > At my former school, we had a very limited set of software installed on our > computers: MicroWorlds 2.0_ and Microsoft Office (Word, Excel, PowerPoint, > Access - which we steered clear of for the most part) and also MSWorks. And > then of course there were the programs that come with Windows, such as Paint > and Internet Explorer. (I hated Paint and much preferred the graphics > capabilities of MicroWorlds.) > > I became a huge fan of using MicroWorlds for all of our graphics needs, and > I continue to use MicroWorlds for generating all of the graphics on my Math > Cats website. In 3 1/2 years of developing that site, I have felt little or > no need to shell out $$ for a more advanced graphics application. > > We've already seen how MW can easily be used to assemble an automatic > slideshow of external JPEG or GIF files (as well as other graphics formats). > Here's how I often use MW to create and edit artwork: > > Let's say I'm drawing a new cat for Math Cats. I use the circle/oval tool > to make the basic head shape, then erase a bit and add ears. Next I draw > one eye. I want the other eye to be a mirror image of the first, so I > surround the first eye and copy and paste it into a shape. I open that > shape and use the mirror image button to reverse the eye, then I surround > that eye with the selection tool and copy it. I close that shape and paste > the selected area into the cat's head. (I've used this partial mirror-image > technique in lots of Math Cats projects, such as the Symmetrical Butterflies > craft project: http://www.mathcats.com/crafts/symbutterflies.html.) > > I often use the fat bits editor (I click and drag with the selection tool > then double-click inside the selected area) to get an enlarged view which I > can edit pixel by pixel. I love that I can select the desired magnification > with MW Pro. I copy and paste my finished cat into a shape, then I open the > shape and click and drag its boundaries to crop the image closely so that I > don't have any unnecessary white space around it. (This works much better > in MW Pro than in MW 2.0_, for we can easily select any shape dimensions > with Pro but cannot fine-tune the dimensions as much with MW 2.0_.) > > (I love storing graphics in the shapes center. Often I make multiple copies > of a newly-drawn shape and then edit them to get variations - arms and legs > in different positions; merging one graphic with another; etc.) > > Next I use the SAVESHAPE command (in the command center) to save my new > shape as an external GIF file (or if I've cropped a photo or combined a > photo with a cartoon-like drawing, I might save it as a JPEG file). > Example: > > saveshape "orangecat.gif 17 > > where 17 is the number of the shape I'm saving as an external file. > > Now one thing to bear in mind is that a white background in a shape is > transparent when used within a MicroWorlds project, but it appears as solid > white when used outside MicroWorlds. If I want a transparent background for > this external graphics file, I need to use another application to do this. > (I used to use the drawing tools of Word to make one color transparent; I > would import the graphics file, use the transparency tool to make one color > transparent, then save the Word document as a web page, and in > newly-generated folder accompanying the web page I would find two files, one > of which was the new graphics file I needed with the transparent > background.) But it is much easier to use the free Irfanview graphics > viewing-editing application (www.irfanview.com) to make a transparent color; > read on "transparency" in the help index to find out how. > > All of the graphics for Math Cats' Polygon Playground > (www.mathcats.com/explore/polygons.html) and Tessellation Town > (www.mathcats.com/explore/tessellationtown.html) were created with MWPro > (with the help of another application for making transparent backgrounds). > I combined MW Logo programming with the graphics tools to generate all of > the colored polygon outlines. It is very easy to create tessellating puzzle > pieces with MicroWorlds, when you copy and paste wiggly lines to form > matching pairs on both sides of an altered quadrilateral (for instance). My > students used to love creating tessellations with MicroWorlds. I used the > rotation tool in the shapes editor to create right-side-up and upside-down > triangle people. (Of course, first I created the original equilateral > triangles with Logo commands.) To make very precise tessellating ocean > waves I used MW Logo programming to draw the original curves and then I used > the graphics tools to color the wave puzzle pieces and the coordinating fish > puzzle pieces. > > For an example of a graphic combining a photo with a cartoon-like drawing > and using a transparent background, see my self-portrait at > www.mathcats.com/grownupcats.html. I used the graphics tools of MWPro to > erase the background of the photo, first outlining carefully around my head > (first with a white fine line tool or eraser and then with the fatter lines > and with white rectangles). Then I put my head into a MicroWorlds shape, > opened the shape and chose a good magnification, and drew a little cat > perched on my shoulder. I saved this as a GIF image and then used Irfanview > to make the white background transparent. It was fun and easy to create > this composite image using MWPro. > > My students used to love drawing cartoon bodies under their photo heads and > then animating their bodies to dance or leap or do jumping jacks or > whatever. You can see examples in the "Animate Me" folder at the > MicroWorlds in Action site: > http://mia.openworldlearning.org/animate_me/animate_me.htm > They enjoyed importing each other's cartoon-body images and using these > characters in multimedia stories which they wrote using MicroWorlds > textboxes. Even first-graders could do this, if we didn't worry about > writing procedures to create animations. The "Animated Story" MIA folder > demonstrates how even stationary characters can be used to make textboxes > appear or to navigate to different project pages: > http://mia.openworldlearning.org/animated_story/animated_story.htm > > We used to use the graphics capabilities of MW combined with textboxes to > create many multimedia social studies projects. It was nice sometimes to > incorporate some programmed animations, but if we are trying to get more > teachers comfortable with using MicroWorlds, we can encourage them to > combine static graphics and text as a first step. > > I also created an "empty book" project which already had empty textboxes and > navigation arrows and plenty of pages already set up (another version > generated pages automatically as needed, complete with new textboxes and > programmed navigation arrows). It had a title page; the student just needed > to type the title and author in the preformatted textboxes. It also had a > planning page where students could list their characters, make note of any > references, do some brainstorming, etc. > > I much preferred using MW for creating multimedia projects in this way > rather than PowerPoint or HyperStudio, because this way we could keep the > focus on generating meaningful content. With PowerPoint or HyperStudio, > students begin to get too distracted by the formatting decisions before > they've developed their content. With MicroWorlds, it is easy to start with > a bare-bones text box and then gradually add the bells and whistles after > the text is written. > > I will try to locate this empty book project and a few other useful template > projects and share them soon with this list. > > I hope you'll find some of these ideas useful... and if you've managed to > read to the end of this message, I congratulate you heartily! > > Wendy Petti > MicroWorlds in Action > http://mia.openworldlearning.org > Math Cats > http://www.mathcats.com > > _______________________________________________ > MWForum mailing list > MWForum@lists.mathcats.com > http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum > Attachments archived at: > http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html > To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact > mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com --------------3A26E448B6F3B126FB534C76 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What a great lesson on MW graphics! I use (and love) AppleWorks Paint. It is fun to take any of the graphics that come with AppleWorks or can be inserted in its paint program and turn them into shapes in MW.  One great activity by 4th/5th graders for first graders was to take a copy of a scene from Once Upon a Time and use it as a bacground in MW, draw a maze on it and customize the turtle shape. The big kids loved making the mazes and the little kids learned to "drive" the turtle.

Other than a screen capture, I am not sure how to capture/copy/paste a shape from MW into AppleWorks. Sometimes MW has the perfect graphic to accompany a story written in AW word processing. Is the following true?
Graphics can become shapes but shapes are not graphics??

BTW, you once asked what changes would be helpful. A lasso tool would be nice, now that we are discussing graphics.

Looking forward to your presentation mode lesson.

Wendy Petti wrote:

Hi Folks,

Recently on this list, Tony Wilson was asking about an easy way to use MW to
run an automatic slideshow.  He mentioned during that dialogue, "I am trying
to push Microworlds amongst the staff and if it is too much of a bother they
will want to use a media player or powerpoint.  I am hoping the kids can see
the value and power of programming."

I think many of us have found ourselves in that same situation.  We might be
the lone MicroWorlds enthusiast on staff or we might be one of a small core
group of MW enthusiasts, and we might be looking for ways to get more
teachers excited about and comfortable with MicroWorlds even if they have no
background or interest in programming.  It's one thing to teach our students
some programming, but I never got anywhere with trying to teach programming
to my colleagues.

But I did find many ways to promote the use of MicroWorlds by less
tech-savvy teachers, even though they continued to need some hand-holding
and encouragement.  I'll share a few ideas here, more later, and I hope some
of you will share ideas that have been well-received at your schools.

The focus in this message is on the graphics capabilities of MicroWorlds.

At my former school, we had a very limited set of software installed on our
computers:  MicroWorlds 2.0_ and Microsoft Office (Word, Excel, PowerPoint,
Access - which we steered clear of for the most part) and also MSWorks.  And
then of course there were the programs that come with Windows, such as Paint
and Internet Explorer. (I hated Paint and much preferred the graphics
capabilities of MicroWorlds.)

I became a huge fan of using MicroWorlds for all of our graphics needs, and
I continue to use MicroWorlds for generating all of the graphics on my Math
Cats website.  In 3 1/2 years of developing that site, I have felt little or
no need to shell out $$ for a more advanced graphics application.

We've already seen how MW can easily be used to assemble an automatic
slideshow of external JPEG or GIF files (as well as other graphics formats).
Here's how I often use MW to create and edit artwork:

Let's say I'm drawing a new cat for Math Cats.  I use the circle/oval tool
to make the basic head shape, then erase a bit and add ears.  Next I draw
one eye.  I want the other eye to be a mirror image of the first, so I
surround the first eye and copy and paste it into a shape.  I open that
shape and use the mirror image button to reverse the eye, then I surround
that eye with the selection tool and copy it.  I close that shape and paste
the selected area into the cat's head.  (I've used this partial mirror-image
technique in lots of Math Cats projects, such as the Symmetrical Butterflies
craft project:  http://www.mathcats.com/crafts/symbutterflies.html.)

I often use the fat bits editor (I click and drag with the selection tool
then double-click inside the selected area) to get an enlarged view which I
can edit pixel by pixel.  I love that I can select the desired magnification
with MW Pro.  I copy and paste my finished cat into a shape, then I open the
shape and click and drag its boundaries to crop the image closely so that I
don't have any unnecessary white space around it.  (This works much better
in MW Pro than in MW 2.0_, for we can easily select any shape dimensions
with Pro but cannot fine-tune the dimensions as much with MW 2.0_.)

(I love storing graphics in the shapes center.  Often I make multiple copies
of a newly-drawn shape and then edit them to get variations - arms and legs
in different positions; merging one graphic with another; etc.)

Next I use the SAVESHAPE command (in the command center) to save my new
shape as an external GIF file (or if I've cropped a photo or combined a
photo with a cartoon-like drawing, I might save it as a JPEG file).
Example:

saveshape "orangecat.gif 17

where 17 is the number of the shape I'm saving as an external file.

Now one thing to bear in mind is that a white background in a shape is
transparent when used within a MicroWorlds project, but it appears as solid
white when used outside MicroWorlds.  If I want a transparent background for
this external graphics file, I need to use another application to do this.
(I used to use the drawing tools of Word to make one color transparent; I
would import the graphics file, use the transparency tool to make one color
transparent, then save the Word document as a web page, and in
newly-generated folder accompanying the web page I would find two files, one
of which was the new graphics file I needed with the transparent
background.)  But it is much easier to use the free Irfanview graphics
viewing-editing application (www.irfanview.com) to make a transparent color;
read on "transparency" in the help index to find out how.

All of the graphics for Math Cats' Polygon Playground
(www.mathcats.com/explore/polygons.html) and Tessellation Town
(www.mathcats.com/explore/tessellationtown.html) were created with MWPro
(with the help of another application for making transparent backgrounds).
I combined MW Logo programming with the graphics tools to generate all of
the colored polygon outlines.  It is very easy to create tessellating puzzle
pieces with MicroWorlds, when you copy and paste wiggly lines to form
matching pairs on both sides of an altered quadrilateral (for instance).  My
students used to love creating tessellations with MicroWorlds.  I used the
rotation tool in the shapes editor to create right-side-up and upside-down
triangle people.  (Of course, first I created the original equilateral
triangles with Logo commands.)  To make very precise tessellating ocean
waves I used MW Logo programming to draw the original curves and then I used
the graphics tools to color the wave puzzle pieces and the coordinating fish
puzzle pieces.

For an example of a graphic combining a photo with a cartoon-like drawing
and using a transparent background, see my self-portrait at
www.mathcats.com/grownupcats.html.  I used the graphics tools of MWPro to
erase the background of the photo, first outlining carefully around my head
(first with a white fine line tool or eraser and then with the fatter lines
and with white rectangles).  Then I put my head into a MicroWorlds shape,
opened the shape and chose a good magnification, and drew a little cat
perched on my shoulder.  I saved this as a GIF image and then used Irfanview
to make the white background transparent.  It was fun and easy to create
this composite image using MWPro.

My students used to love drawing cartoon bodies under their photo heads and
then animating their bodies to dance or leap or do jumping jacks or
whatever.  You can see examples in the "Animate Me" folder at the
MicroWorlds in Action site:
http://mia.openworldlearning.org/animate_me/animate_me.htm
They enjoyed importing each other's cartoon-body images and using these
characters in multimedia stories which they wrote using MicroWorlds
textboxes.  Even first-graders could do this, if we didn't worry about
writing procedures to create animations.  The "Animated Story" MIA folder
demonstrates how even stationary characters can be used to make textboxes
appear or to navigate to different project pages:
http://mia.openworldlearning.org/animated_story/animated_story.htm

We used to use the graphics capabilities of MW combined with textboxes to
create many multimedia social studies projects.  It was nice sometimes to
incorporate some programmed animations, but if we are trying to get more
teachers comfortable with using MicroWorlds, we can encourage them to
combine static graphics and text as a first step.

I also created an "empty book" project which already had empty textboxes and
navigation arrows and plenty of pages already set up (another version
generated pages automatically as needed, complete with new textboxes and
programmed navigation arrows).  It had a title page; the student just needed
to type the title and author in the preformatted textboxes. It also had a
planning page where students could list their characters, make note of any
references, do some brainstorming, etc.

I much preferred using MW for creating multimedia projects in this way
rather than PowerPoint or HyperStudio, because this way we could keep the
focus on generating meaningful content.  With PowerPoint or HyperStudio,
students begin to get too distracted by the formatting decisions before
they've developed their content.  With MicroWorlds, it is easy to start with
a bare-bones text box and then gradually add the bells and whistles after
the text is written.

I will try to locate this empty book project and a few other useful template
projects and share them soon with this list.

I hope you'll find some of these ideas useful... and if you've managed to
read to the end of this message, I congratulate you heartily!

Wendy Petti
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http://mia.openworldlearning.org
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--------------3A26E448B6F3B126FB534C76-- From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Thu Feb 26 20:17:48 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Lauren Pacini) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 12:17:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [MWForum]how much MW homework help should this list provide? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040226201748.81272.qmail@web20610.mail.yahoo.com> Wendy, Thanks for the pinted post! When I tried to draw out the author of one of those posts to begin an instructive dialogue, another member of this group answered my question for her and then answered her question. Had it been one of my students I would have been less than thrilled. It seems to me that the value of Microworlds is the logical thought processes that it instills. Lauren --- Wendy Petti wrote: > Hi again Folks, > > My backlogged messages have finally gotten posted to > the list, so now I will > raise another topic. Recently the list was asked > for help in creating a set > of nested polygons of different numbers of sides. I > wondered to myself if > this was a class assignment. We've received an > almost identical (but more > detailed) request for help from another student. > This message was posted by > a non-member and I've deferred on deciding whether > or not to post it because > I wanted to send this cautionary note first. > > I think we need to be careful to find the right > balance between being > helpful and being *too* helpful. When a teacher is > asking for help - we > help! If a student is asking for help - we coach! > We can give some helpful > hints or help the student get started by giving one > sample procedure, > perhaps... but we should not go on to complete the > entire assignment, if we > have any suspicions that the request is an > assignment. We are not doing the > student any favors if we complete the whole project > for him or her. > > It is fine to ask questions to clarify what is the > driving force behind the > request before providing assistance. It is fine to > ask a student to send a > partially-completed project or a set of procedures > so we can see what (if > anything) he or she has been able to do so far. It > is fine to point the > student to pertinent online resources; for instance, > there is a polygons > folder of projects at the MicroWorlds in Action > website. > > Thanks in advance for keeping alert to homework help > requests and handling > them with care. > > Wendy Petti > MWForum moderator > OWL's MicroWorlds in Action > http://mia.openworldlearning.org > Math Cats > http://www.mathcats.com > > > _______________________________________________ > MWForum mailing list > MWForum@lists.mathcats.com > http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum > Attachments archived at: > http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html > To unsubscribe or for administrative questions > contact > mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Fri Feb 27 00:27:30 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Daniel Ajoy) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 19:27:30 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]how much MW homework help should this list provide? In-Reply-To: <20040226201748.81272.qmail@web20610.mail.yahoo.com> References: Message-ID: <403E48A2.20935.27FDC7C@localhost> Hi Lauren, I was me who answered your question and the original question, too. I answered your question because you didn't address you question to her, you addressed it to me. I was only forwarding that message to the mwforum list (I shouldn't have signed it, though. My bad) And you didn't sent it to her, you only sent it to the list. As Wendy alerted use a while back, those "ask and expert" questions are submitted from a web form and the submitter often does not belong to the list. I answered the original question because I thought it would be hard to confuse my answer with a program a student might do. This is the code: to multi.poly :nsides clean pd make "sides 3 repeat :nsides - 2 [ poly make "sides :sides + 1 ] end to poly repeat :sides [forward 60 right 360 / :sides] end Things I did different from what is usual are: * "poly" has no inputs * my indentation style * my use forward and right instead of their shortcuts * "repeat :nsides - 2" instead of recursion I submitted such a strange program because the requirements were strange. They were strange enough that I thought only a teacher and her student would know what the teacher expected from the student. And if the student didn't know what the teacher was expecting, I think it would be good if the student shows the teacher my program because then the teacher _would_ know that the student didn't get what the teacher was expecting. Daniel On 26 Feb 2004 at 12:17, Lauren Pacini wrote: > Wendy, > > Thanks for the pinted post! When I tried to draw out > the author of one of those posts to begin an > instructive dialogue, another member of this group > answered my question for her and then answered her > question. Had it been one of my students I would have > been less than thrilled. It seems to me that the value > of Microworlds is the logical thought processes that > it instills. > > Lauren > From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Fri Feb 27 01:12:04 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Wendy Petti) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 20:12:04 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]how much MW homework help should this list provide? In-Reply-To: <403E48A2.20935.27FDC7C@localhost> Message-ID: I think that Lauren's remark is the most pertinent thing for us to keep in mind here: > On 26 Feb 2004 at 12:17, Lauren Pacini wrote: > > It seems to me that the value > > of Microworlds is the logical thought processes that > > it instills. Daniel, thanks for explaining your reasoning; I understand your intentions, but our purpose is not to provide unconventional solutions to class assignments. If this student is puzzled and seeking help, I think we'll want to give the student a handle to begin to grasp a solution. Perhaps the student does not know or understand that the turtle ends up turning 360 degrees in all while drawing a polygon. That knowledge is fundamental to understanding most polygon-drawing procedures. We do not know how must information was presented in class and how much the student is expected to deduce. Also, please realize that we do not need to help everyone who asks for help, especially if they are not willing to participate in a dialogue. If we ask a few questions to determine what background knowledge and preparation they have, and if they do not reply, we do not need to bother ourselves with providing further help. (And if they do reply, we can provide more relevant help rather than guessing blindly at the student's difficulty.) But when we are providing help, let's aim to cultivate those logical thought processes ... with MicroWorlds, with students, it is the process we should be caring about more than the product. Wendy From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Fri Feb 27 05:51:14 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (mwforum@lists.mathcats.com) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:51:14 -0800 Subject: [MWForum]turning teachers on to MW - the graphics are great! In-Reply-To: <403E28C8.3D067A32@Mikula.org> Message-ID: On Thursday, February 26, 2004, at 09:11 AM, Mikula Family wrote: > > Other than a screen capture, I am not sure how to capture/copy/paste a > shape from MW into AppleWorks. Sometimes MW has the perfect graphic to > accompany a story written in AW word processing. Is the following > true? > Graphics can become shapes but shapes are not graphics?? > It works both ways for me although I've never pasted into the AW paint program. You can click once on a shapes box to select it, then go to Edit and choose copy, then go to AppleWorks and paste it into a word processing document or a drawing document. Most of the computers in my room don't have enough RAM to run MW Pro, so we use MW 2.05 on those older computers. In version 2 you can't rotate shapes except by 90 degree increments. So my students copy the MW shape and paste it into AW draw where it can be rotated at any angle. Then the graphic can be copied from AW and pasted back into a MW shapes box. This way my students can do an animation with an airplane take off or land at a more reasonable 20 or 30 degree angle rather than 90 degrees. -John John St. Clair Global SchoolNet Foundation john.stclair@verizon.net www.gsn.org Vina Danks Middle School LogoForum moderator Teacher of Logo and Lego groups.yahoo.com/group/logoforum From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Fri Feb 27 07:22:08 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Wendy Petti) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 02:22:08 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]turning teachers on to MW - the graphics are great! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Is the following true? > > Graphics can become shapes but shapes are not graphics?? > It works both ways for me ... Yes, shapes are graphics; John has described a copy-and-paste for transferring graphics between MW and a graphics program; and in my original post in this thread, I described how to turn MW shapes into external GIF or JPEG files (or other graphics formats) using the SAVESHAPE command; that's another demonstration that shapes are graphics. John's method is more efficient for transferring a MW shape directly into another graphics program, though. Wendy From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Fri Feb 27 08:49:20 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Steve Robson) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 08:49:20 +0000 Subject: [MWForum]turning teachers on to MW - the graphics are great! Message-ID:

...and another thought! If you want some good graphics for turtle shapes, you can search the 'net (with appropriate care) and locate a web page graphic which can be copied and pasted to the shape centre. The tumbnails in Google image search are ofetn a useful size, and if the search is made for gif files only, the background is often white.

Just a thought.

Steve

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Subject: RE: [MWForum]turning teachers on to MW - the graphics are great!
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 02:22:08 -0500
> > Is the following true?
> > Graphics can become shapes but shapes are not graphics??
> It works both ways for me ...
Yes, shapes are graphics; John has described a copy-and-paste for
transferring graphics between MW and a graphics program; and in my original
post in this thread, I described how to turn MW shapes into external GIF or
JPEG files (or other graphics formats) using the SAVESHAPE command; that's
another demonstration that shapes are graphics.  John's method is more
efficient for transferring a MW shape directly into another graphics
program, though.
Wendy
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Half price modem, FREE connection and one month FREE - click here to sign up to BT Broadband. From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Fri Feb 27 18:03:34 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Lauren Pacini) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:03:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [MWForum]how much MW homework help should this list provide? In-Reply-To: <403E48A2.20935.27FDC7C@localhost> Message-ID: <20040227180334.50278.qmail@web20602.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks, Daniel, now I understand. The teacher in me always answers a question with a question. I did not realize the part about the off-list posts. Lauren --- Daniel Ajoy wrote: > Hi Lauren, > > I was me who answered your question and the original > question, too. > > I answered your question because you didn't address > you > question to her, you addressed it to me. I was only > forwarding that message to the mwforum list > (I shouldn't have signed it, though. My bad) > > And you didn't sent it to her, you only sent it to > the list. > As Wendy alerted use a while back, those "ask and > expert" > questions are submitted from a web form and the > submitter > often does not belong to the list. > > I answered the original question because I thought > it would be hard to confuse my answer with a program > > a student might do. > > This is the code: > > to multi.poly :nsides > clean pd > > make "sides 3 > > repeat :nsides - 2 [ > poly make "sides :sides + 1 > ] > > end > > to poly > repeat :sides [forward 60 right 360 / :sides] > end > > > Things I did different from what is usual are: > > * "poly" has no inputs > * my indentation style > * my use forward and right instead of their > shortcuts > * "repeat :nsides - 2" instead of recursion > > I submitted such a strange program because the > requirements were strange. They were strange enough > that I thought only a teacher and her student would > know what the teacher expected from the student. And > if > the student didn't know what the teacher was > expecting, > I think it would be good if the student shows the > teacher my program because then the teacher _would_ > know that the student didn't get what the teacher > was > expecting. > > Daniel > > > On 26 Feb 2004 at 12:17, Lauren Pacini wrote: > > > Wendy, > > > > Thanks for the pinted post! When I tried to draw > out > > the author of one of those posts to begin an > > instructive dialogue, another member of this group > > answered my question for her and then answered her > > question. Had it been one of my students I would > have > > been less than thrilled. It seems to me that the > value > > of Microworlds is the logical thought processes > that > > it instills. > > > > Lauren > > > > _______________________________________________ > MWForum mailing list > MWForum@lists.mathcats.com > http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum > Attachments archived at: > http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html > To unsubscribe or for administrative questions > contact > mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Fri Feb 27 21:22:47 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Harvey Bornfield) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 14:22:47 -0700 Subject: [MWForum]turning teachers on to MW - the graphics are great! In-Reply-To: References: <403E28C8.3D067A32@Mikula.org> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20040227081529.00b52098@pop.earthlink.net> --=====================_22647635==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed John: Why resort to importing and exporting shapes to render them into more subtle degrees of "twist", than is available under MW2, when it's possible to achieve from within MW2. You can exploit the almost arcane colorunder function to achieve all the shape rotation you need. The game plan is to appoint a turtle a sponge, place it at the upper left (or any corner) of a square (or rectangular) matrix of any graphics area, using manual or given slider-determined parameters. Then you ship him off, courtesy of a loop embedded within a loop, to sweep up an entire graphics area imprinted in a stamped turtle shape. One dot at a time, and a little help from lput, and you stash a list, appending for each pixel-by-pixel stopover, the color number of the "dot next door", which then can be sprayed back out in a variety of ways, even "aerated" or distorted. Then, to effect said enchantment, hmmm............(this is going to be a difficult one! : ) ), get out your Harry Potter wand, issue the "Pen Up" spell, relocate the turtle to a blank foreign land on your project, or create CAREFULLY, a new page under program control called "backstage" to do this.... Continuing on Relocate the turtle to the place where its going to appear twisted, do a pendown, and a hide turtle (speeds up writes), and reusing the same sponge routine loop structure that captured the dots, in overtime innings, parachute the entire list of colorunder dots back down on the blank area, at the desired tilt you want.......... then, Harry_Potter it again, (the verb, to Harry_Potter) or if wand in drydock, as a dire, fevery alternative use as a last resort , a Snapshape command....... :) ........ If you created a procedure called "Reserve , it would be possible to automate depositing a whole series of twisted rotations in contiguous shape locations. The advantage of using such a home home-spun routine, is that you can dish out the task to your students in components and have a project created collaboratively. Of course when you spray back out the dots, there is nothing to prevent you from creating all kinds of interesting graphical effects, such as "ghosting", rescaling, tinting or opaque'ng (subtract or add one or more to the colorunder number as you spray it out), and of course, if you're using alphabet letters as shapes, employing rotations to achieve writing along bezier curves. Move over, Adobe illustrator! All sophisticated jousts for advanced MW students and future Microworlds teachers, Master's theses in architectural design, Yes, sounds like I've already done this, as though we wrote the routines to work in 2.0 before Pro appeared. Guilty as charged. Nonetheless, in giving away even these traces of "How to" I feel guilty of "violating my vows as a constructionist" blurting out such virtually self-evident strategies. It's not that one is reluctant to share them, but as Wendi so vocally just points out, the Microworlds forum exists primarily to champion sparking imagination and self-guidance modalities where the dividing line between learning and adventure, far from the code-blue solemnity of schools, is happily blurred. To sketch, to enable brainstorming, to hint as alternatives, to translate these into creatively visualizable algorithms, all this lives, thriving at the heart of the constructionist stream, and makes an antidote to all suffocating "My size fits all" forms of pedagogy. That's afterall the unconscious reenactment of the same error which underwrites the compulsive-obsessive norms-based assessments, and the chimpanzee rote through which cringing teachers are asked to offer their noble talents in fear-based theaters. Socratic Inquiry, (Alas, also Socratic Hemlock!) that dissolves of us from the redneck Neanderthal assembly line models of education, replaced by the not-too-obvious, ever emerging art of morphing questions into quest, of which we here all share an important part, rudders, indeed "destinys" (the verb, to destiny) all constructionist intent. We shall explicate with a recreational Jihad: (skip down below the next segment to omit this) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What we DON'T need is a barrage of short-order cook solutions to project-authoring challenges when we, as aspiring teachers really owe our students something more, which would be providing robust and ongoing exposure to wrestling with thinking and architectural processes which underlie software authoring. To regard as a good educational path the sourcing of question/answer formats alone, to continue to enthusiastically embrace them as viable, worthy, acceptable ways to facilitate the kind of 'trial-and-error-inspired' exploration which creates quality Chefs is, IMHO, am altogether strange distraction. The whole Crux of the Jihad's this: The notion of the "Ask a gunslinger" mode of QA, like presidential press conferences which aren't geared to open dialogue, but to decree, pronouncement, policy and similar excuses for interaction, reminds me of the wonderful opening to the mythopoetic one-of-a-kind western "Quigley Down Under", which we'll use as a parable: Quigley (Tom Selleck), a strong, yet altogether modest Zorro-level hero imported from Dodge City, because he possesses the longest-range rifle in the world, responding to an ad, hired, pending the display of his prowess to a wealthy and vastly prejudiced Australian ranch owner, Marsten (played by the Connoisseur's Evil Heavy Alan Rickman), discovers that Rickman has placed him on the payroll for morally unacceptable reasons, - in order to kill Aboriginals in Australia. Now to be able to supply brilliant, and completely turnkey programming code in one-day turnaround, in short-order marksmanship mode is altogether awesome and bladed to behold, and it is applaudable to know that there are Microworlds Kings on tap to perk the ambience here with such adeptness of software "thrill'n'(s)kill" yet, after all the sizzling flamboyance, like anaesthesia to our real purpose wears off, we realize that the Indiana Jones / James Bond mentality bears a double-O license, and indeed murders the principles of constructionism, leading both students and other innocents into a consumer scenario of "I have what you need", rather than "Let me share with you not the knowledge which I possess, but rather what kinds of questions which need to be asked and what priorities are best acquired in order to become a teacher, which is much more difficult than a doer. (Herein lies the secret of the elevation and healing of the world) The Western continues: And not too long after Matthew Quigley demonstrates his most adept "William-Tell-like G5-apple-splitting marksmanship" on innocent beer cans barely visible to the mortals, upon discovering he is a vassal of a man who has an ruthless agenda, punches out his newfound boss, and soon finds himself straightaway carted out into three days all expenses paid one way excursion, dragged off, terrestrially keel-hauled from a wagon through 110 degree weather, exiled into the parch and blister of the cruel outback with his eventual soul mate, our would be hero, thus appointed makeshift haut cuisine on the 99 cent fast food vulture's menu of central Australia. Returning now to our regularly scheduled meander, attempting to source a solution to what might not be a problem...... (Beethoven's "der Schwer-gefasste Entschloss", Op. 135) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A gesture for solution: So how do we, many of us teachers, for whom the implementation of MW code is tip of the iceberg, at the very least, indeed an almost trivial component of the exercise of higher order thought processes (Say it! Higher Order Thought = Imagination, if our mystical algebra serves us correctly!) , how do we graduate to the next step of online conversation, and supply food for imagination to the kids and teachers here? By which I imply this: Rather than supplying fish, assume the responsibility to carry them forward, teaching them how to fish. Now to address this epic shift in paradigm focus, which challenges especially those several of us who have already put in enough dues in software design to have something more than well-articulated MW source code to share, (which, at the very least, Bornfield stagewhispers to himself would include Daniel, Jeff, Mike, Wendi, Lisa, John, and the lurking Gary Stager (come out and join us!) ), here's a roughhewn notion, I hesitate to call it an idea, which might nonetheless work to the furtherance of constructionist intent within the design and structure of the forum. Send out an online request to all students who are members here, those involved in MW_based classes to supply us with the email address of the teacher under whom they are working. Do this as a condition for continued membership in the MW_Forum. Then e-mail all of the teachers thus referenced, and invite them to make known to us here enclosures of their curriculum or projects and their course guidelines. Ask them what kind and degree of assistance would gracefully interface with their academic objectives, both individual and collaborative. Of course, invite them to "Eavesdrop" on their students!!!!!, by joining the Forum, and posting their challenges nationally. One even envisions, the creation of a most refreshing "Create an Einstein" input, - MW_quests for student online collaborative group discussion, for from such most fair-weathered mindstorms, I see teachers creating and sharing in all phases of development, a barrage of thematic unit templates. This will pave the way for the possible and eventual creation of a smaller inner creativity circle of MW teachers and mentors which we'll call MW_Guru, whose members must be regularly contributing members of MW_Forum in positions of teaching, mentoring or creative and/or technical expertise who amongst themselves function like an online university and can so pose large and long-range ideas which embrace thinking about and acting upon the relationship between educational philosophy and computer projects, sharing them at large with the MW_Forum Target marketing dreams, distant dreams, Quigley's now out of bullets, out of "Fourth of July" for now, and so from bladed-sunlight-gleam and cactus-pierced Tucson, from within small pocket of our own Sonoran Outback, perhaps in an echo, an acupuncture node, in the Southwest, a poor man's "Down Under" bids you all friendly adieu. Warm Regards, Harvey Bornfield www.mythologics.org At 09:51 PM 2/26/2004, you wrote: >On Thursday, February 26, 2004, at 09:11 AM, Mikula Family wrote: > >> >>Other than a screen capture, I am not sure how to capture/copy/paste a >>shape from MW into AppleWorks. Sometimes MW has the perfect graphic to >>accompany a story written in AW word processing. Is the following > true? >>Graphics can become shapes but shapes are not graphics?? > >It works both ways for me although I've never pasted into the AW paint >program. You can click once on a shapes box to select it, then go to Edit >and choose copy, then go to AppleWorks and paste it into a word processing >document or a drawing document. Most of the computers in my room don't >have enough RAM to run MW Pro, so we use MW 2.05 on those older >computers. In version 2 you can't rotate shapes except by 90 degree >increments. So my students copy the MW shape and paste it into AW draw >where it can be rotated at any angle. Then the graphic can be copied from >AW and pasted back into a MW shapes box. This way my students can do an >animation with an airplane take off or land at a more reasonable 20 or 30 >degree angle rather than 90 degrees. > >-John > > >John St. Clair Global SchoolNet Foundation >john.stclair@verizon.net www.gsn.org >Vina Danks Middle School LogoForum moderator >Teacher of Logo and Lego groups.yahoo.com/group/logoforum > >_______________________________________________ >MWForum mailing list >MWForum@lists.mathcats.com >http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum >Attachments archived at: >http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html >To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact >mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com "Music is the one incorporeal entrance into the higher world of knowledge which comprehends mankind, but mankind cannot comprehend." Ludwig van Beethoven --=====================_22647635==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John:
Why resort to importing and exporting shapes to render them into more subtle degrees of "twist", than is available under MW2, when it's possible to achieve from within MW2. You can exploit the almost arcane colorunder function to achieve all the shape rotation you need. The game plan is to appoint a turtle a sponge, place it at the upper left (or any corner) of a square (or rectangular) matrix of any graphics area, using manual or given slider-determined parameters. Then you ship him off, courtesy of a loop embedded within a loop, to sweep up an entire graphics area imprinted in a stamped turtle shape. One dot at a time, and a little help from lput, and you stash a list, appending for each pixel-by-pixel stopover, the color number of the "dot next door", which then can be sprayed back out in a variety of ways, even "aerated" or distorted.

Then, to effect said enchantment,
hmmm............(this is going to be a difficult one! : )  ),
get out your Harry Potter wand, issue the "Pen Up" spell, relocate the turtle to a blank foreign land on your project, or create CAREFULLY, a new page under program control called "backstage" to do this....

Continuing on
Relocate the turtle to the place where its going to appear twisted, do a pendown, and a hide turtle (speeds up writes), and reusing the same sponge routine loop structure that captured the dots, in overtime innings, parachute the entire list of colorunder dots back down on the blank area,
at the desired tilt you want..........

then, Harry_Potter it again, (the verb, to Harry_Potter) or if wand in drydock, as a dire, fevery alternative use as a last resort , a Snapshape command....... :) ........    If you created a procedure called "Reserve <numeric shape list or start-stop number range>, it would be possible to automate depositing a whole series of twisted rotations in contiguous shape locations.

The advantage of using such a home home-spun routine, is that you can dish out the task to your students in components and have a project created collaboratively. Of course when you spray back out the dots, there is nothing to prevent you from creating all kinds of interesting graphical effects, such as "ghosting", rescaling, tinting or opaque'ng (subtract or add one or more to the colorunder number as you spray it out), and of course, if you're using alphabet letters as shapes, employing rotations to achieve writing along bezier curves. Move over, Adobe illustrator! All sophisticated jousts for advanced MW students and future Microworlds teachers, Master's theses in architectural design,


Yes, sounds like I've already done this, as though we wrote the routines to work in 2.0 before Pro appeared. Guilty as charged. Nonetheless, in giving away even these traces of "How to" I feel guilty of "violating my vows as a constructionist" blurting out such virtually self-evident strategies. It's not that one is reluctant to share them, but as Wendi so vocally just points out, the Microworlds forum exists primarily to champion sparking imagination and self-guidance modalities where the dividing line between learning and adventure, far from the code-blue solemnity of schools, is happily blurred. To sketch, to enable brainstorming, to hint as alternatives, to translate these into creatively visualizable algorithms, all this lives, thriving at the heart of the constructionist stream, and makes an antidote to all suffocating "My size fits all" forms of pedagogy. That's afterall the unconscious reenactment of the same error which underwrites the compulsive-obsessive norms-based assessments, and the chimpanzee rote through which cringing teachers are asked to offer their noble talents in fear-based theaters. Socratic Inquiry, (Alas, also Socratic Hemlock!) that dissolves of us from the redneck Neanderthal assembly line models of education, replaced by the not-too-obvious, ever emerging art of morphing questions into quest, of which we here all share an important part, rudders, indeed "destinys" (the verb, to destiny) all constructionist intent.

We shall explicate with a recreational Jihad: (skip down below the next segment to omit this)
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What we DON'T need is a barrage of short-order cook solutions to project-authoring challenges when we, as aspiring teachers really owe our students something more, which would be providing robust and ongoing exposure to wrestling with thinking and architectural processes which underlie software authoring. To regard as a good educational path the sourcing of question/answer formats alone, to continue to enthusiastically embrace them as viable, worthy, acceptable ways to facilitate the kind of 'trial-and-error-inspired' exploration which creates quality Chefs is, IMHO, am altogether strange distraction. 

The whole Crux of the Jihad's this:
The notion of the "Ask a gunslinger" mode of QA, like presidential press conferences which aren't geared to open dialogue, but to decree, pronouncement, policy and similar excuses for interaction, reminds me of the wonderful opening to the mythopoetic one-of-a-kind western "Quigley Down Under", which we'll use as a parable:

Quigley (Tom Selleck), a strong, yet altogether modest Zorro-level hero imported from Dodge City, because he possesses the longest-range rifle in the world, responding to an ad, hired, pending the display of his prowess to a wealthy and vastly prejudiced Australian ranch owner, Marsten (played by the Connoisseur's Evil Heavy Alan Rickman), discovers that Rickman has placed him on the payroll for morally unacceptable reasons, - in order to kill Aboriginals in Australia.

Now to be able to supply brilliant, and completely turnkey programming code in one-day turnaround, in short-order marksmanship mode is altogether awesome and bladed to behold, and it is applaudable to know that there are Microworlds Kings on tap to perk the ambience here with such adeptness of software "thrill'n'(s)kill" yet, after all the sizzling flamboyance, like anaesthesia to our real purpose wears off, we realize that the Indiana Jones / James Bond mentality bears a double-O license, and indeed murders the principles of constructionism, leading both students and other innocents into a consumer scenario of "I have what you need", rather than "Let me share with you not the knowledge which I possess, but rather what kinds of questions which need to be asked and what priorities are best acquired in order to become a teacher, which is much more difficult than a doer. (Herein lies the secret of the elevation and healing of the world)
 
The Western continues:
And not too long after Matthew Quigley demonstrates his most adept "William-Tell-like G5-apple-splitting marksmanship" on innocent beer cans barely visible to the mortals, upon discovering he is a vassal of a man who has an ruthless agenda, punches out his newfound boss, and soon finds himself straightaway carted out into three days all expenses paid one way excursion, dragged off, terrestrially keel-hauled from a wagon through 110 degree weather, exiled into the parch and blister of the cruel outback with his eventual soul mate, our would be hero, thus appointed makeshift haut cuisine on the 99 cent fast food vulture's menu of central Australia.


Returning now to our regularly scheduled meander,
attempting to source a solution to what might not be a problem......
(Beethoven's "der Schwer-gefasste Entschloss", Op. 135)


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So how do we, many of us teachers, for whom the implementation of MW code is tip of the iceberg, at  the very least, indeed an almost trivial component of the exercise of higher order thought processes (Say it! Higher Order Thought  =3D  Imagination, if our mystical algebra serves us correctly!) , how do we graduate to the next step of online conversation, and supply food for imagination to the kids and teachers here? By which I imply this: Rather than supplying fish, assume the responsibility to carry them forward, teaching them how to=20 fish.

Now to address this epic shift in paradigm focus, which challenges especially those several of us who have already put in enough dues in software design to have something more than well-articulated MW source code to share, (which, at the very least, Bornfield stagewhispers to himself would include Daniel, Jeff, Mike, Wendi, Lisa, John, and the lurking Gary Stager (come out and join us!) ), here's a roughhewn notion, I hesitate to call it an idea, which might nonetheless work to the furtherance of constructionist intent within the design and structure of the forum.

Send out an online request to all students who are members here, those involved in MW_based classes to supply us with the email address of the teacher under whom they are working. Do this as a condition for continued membership in the MW_Forum.

Then e-mail all of the teachers thus referenced, and invite them to make known to us here enclosures of their curriculum or projects and their course guidelines. Ask them what kind and degree of assistance would gracefully interface with their academic objectives, both individual and collaborative. Of course, invite them to "Eavesdrop" on their students!!!!!, by joining the Forum, and posting their challenges nationally. One even envisions, the creation of a most refreshing "Create an Einstein" input, - MW_quests for student online collaborative group discussion, for from such most fair-weathered mindstorms, I see teachers creating and sharing in all phases of development, a barrage of thematic unit templates.

This will pave the way for the possible and eventual creation of a smaller inner creativity circle of MW teachers and mentors which we'll call MW_Guru, whose members must be regularly contributing members of MW_Forum in positions of teaching, mentoring or creative and/or technical expertise who amongst themselves function like an online university and can so pose large and long-range ideas which embrace thinking about and acting upon the relationship between educational philosophy and computer projects, sharing them at large with the MW_Forum

Target marketing dreams, distant dreams, Quigley's now out of bullets, out of "Fourth of July" for now, and so from bladed-sunlight-gleam and cactus-pierced Tucson, from within small pocket of our own Sonoran Outback, perhaps in an echo, an acupuncture node, in the Southwest, a poor man's "Down Under" bids you all friendly adieu.

Warm Regards,
Harvey Bornfield
www.mythologics.org




At 09:51 PM 2/26/2004, you wrote:

On Thursday, February 26, 2004, at 09:11 AM, Mikula Family wrote:


Other than a screen capture, I am not sure how to capture/copy/paste a shape from MW into AppleWorks. Sometimes MW has the perfect graphic to accompany a story written in AW word processing. Is the following > true?
Graphics can become shapes but shapes are not graphics??

It works both ways for me although I've never pasted into the AW paint program.  You can click once on a shapes box to select it, then go to Edit and choose copy, then go to AppleWorks and paste it into a word processing document or a drawing document.  Most of the computers in my room don't have enough RAM to run MW Pro, so we use MW 2.05 on those older computers.  In version 2 you can't rotate shapes except by 90 degree increments.  So my students copy the MW shape and paste it into AW draw where it can be rotated at any angle.  Then the graphic can be copied from AW and pasted back into a MW shapes box.  This way my students can do an animation with an airplane take off or land at a more reasonable 20 or 30 degree angle  rather than 90 degrees.

-John


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--=====================_22647635==.ALT-- From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Sat Feb 28 17:23:23 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Ray Catzel) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 12:23:23 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]turning teachers on to MW - the graphics are great! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Are you aware that MicroWorlds EX has a feature to fill in transparent areas? ----ray -----Original Message----- From: mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com [mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com]On Behalf Of Wendy Petti Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 1:41 AM To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Subject: [MWForum]turning teachers on to MW - the graphics are great! Hi Folks, Recently on this list, Tony Wilson was asking about an easy way to use MW to run an automatic slideshow. He mentioned during that dialogue, "I am trying to push Microworlds amongst the staff and if it is too much of a bother they will want to use a media player or powerpoint. I am hoping the kids can see the value and power of programming." I think many of us have found ourselves in that same situation. We might be the lone MicroWorlds enthusiast on staff or we might be one of a small core group of MW enthusiasts, and we might be looking for ways to get more teachers excited about and comfortable with MicroWorlds even if they have no background or interest in programming. It's one thing to teach our students some programming, but I never got anywhere with trying to teach programming to my colleagues. But I did find many ways to promote the use of MicroWorlds by less tech-savvy teachers, even though they continued to need some hand-holding and encouragement. I'll share a few ideas here, more later, and I hope some of you will share ideas that have been well-received at your schools. The focus in this message is on the graphics capabilities of MicroWorlds. At my former school, we had a very limited set of software installed on our computers: MicroWorlds 2.0_ and Microsoft Office (Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Access - which we steered clear of for the most part) and also MSWorks. And then of course there were the programs that come with Windows, such as Paint and Internet Explorer. (I hated Paint and much preferred the graphics capabilities of MicroWorlds.) I became a huge fan of using MicroWorlds for all of our graphics needs, and I continue to use MicroWorlds for generating all of the graphics on my Math Cats website. In 3 1/2 years of developing that site, I have felt little or no need to shell out $$ for a more advanced graphics application. We've already seen how MW can easily be used to assemble an automatic slideshow of external JPEG or GIF files (as well as other graphics formats). Here's how I often use MW to create and edit artwork: Let's say I'm drawing a new cat for Math Cats. I use the circle/oval tool to make the basic head shape, then erase a bit and add ears. Next I draw one eye. I want the other eye to be a mirror image of the first, so I surround the first eye and copy and paste it into a shape. I open that shape and use the mirror image button to reverse the eye, then I surround that eye with the selection tool and copy it. I close that shape and paste the selected area into the cat's head. (I've used this partial mirror-image technique in lots of Math Cats projects, such as the Symmetrical Butterflies craft project: http://www.mathcats.com/crafts/symbutterflies.html.) I often use the fat bits editor (I click and drag with the selection tool then double-click inside the selected area) to get an enlarged view which I can edit pixel by pixel. I love that I can select the desired magnification with MW Pro. I copy and paste my finished cat into a shape, then I open the shape and click and drag its boundaries to crop the image closely so that I don't have any unnecessary white space around it. (This works much better in MW Pro than in MW 2.0_, for we can easily select any shape dimensions with Pro but cannot fine-tune the dimensions as much with MW 2.0_.) (I love storing graphics in the shapes center. Often I make multiple copies of a newly-drawn shape and then edit them to get variations - arms and legs in different positions; merging one graphic with another; etc.) Next I use the SAVESHAPE command (in the command center) to save my new shape as an external GIF file (or if I've cropped a photo or combined a photo with a cartoon-like drawing, I might save it as a JPEG file). Example: saveshape "orangecat.gif 17 where 17 is the number of the shape I'm saving as an external file. Now one thing to bear in mind is that a white background in a shape is transparent when used within a MicroWorlds project, but it appears as solid white when used outside MicroWorlds. If I want a transparent background for this external graphics file, I need to use another application to do this. (I used to use the drawing tools of Word to make one color transparent; I would import the graphics file, use the transparency tool to make one color transparent, then save the Word document as a web page, and in newly-generated folder accompanying the web page I would find two files, one of which was the new graphics file I needed with the transparent background.) But it is much easier to use the free Irfanview graphics viewing-editing application (www.irfanview.com) to make a transparent color; read on "transparency" in the help index to find out how. All of the graphics for Math Cats' Polygon Playground (www.mathcats.com/explore/polygons.html) and Tessellation Town (www.mathcats.com/explore/tessellationtown.html) were created with MWPro (with the help of another application for making transparent backgrounds). I combined MW Logo programming with the graphics tools to generate all of the colored polygon outlines. It is very easy to create tessellating puzzle pieces with MicroWorlds, when you copy and paste wiggly lines to form matching pairs on both sides of an altered quadrilateral (for instance). My students used to love creating tessellations with MicroWorlds. I used the rotation tool in the shapes editor to create right-side-up and upside-down triangle people. (Of course, first I created the original equilateral triangles with Logo commands.) To make very precise tessellating ocean waves I used MW Logo programming to draw the original curves and then I used the graphics tools to color the wave puzzle pieces and the coordinating fish puzzle pieces. For an example of a graphic combining a photo with a cartoon-like drawing and using a transparent background, see my self-portrait at www.mathcats.com/grownupcats.html. I used the graphics tools of MWPro to erase the background of the photo, first outlining carefully around my head (first with a white fine line tool or eraser and then with the fatter lines and with white rectangles). Then I put my head into a MicroWorlds shape, opened the shape and chose a good magnification, and drew a little cat perched on my shoulder. I saved this as a GIF image and then used Irfanview to make the white background transparent. It was fun and easy to create this composite image using MWPro. My students used to love drawing cartoon bodies under their photo heads and then animating their bodies to dance or leap or do jumping jacks or whatever. You can see examples in the "Animate Me" folder at the MicroWorlds in Action site: http://mia.openworldlearning.org/animate_me/animate_me.htm They enjoyed importing each other's cartoon-body images and using these characters in multimedia stories which they wrote using MicroWorlds textboxes. Even first-graders could do this, if we didn't worry about writing procedures to create animations. The "Animated Story" MIA folder demonstrates how even stationary characters can be used to make textboxes appear or to navigate to different project pages: http://mia.openworldlearning.org/animated_story/animated_story.htm We used to use the graphics capabilities of MW combined with textboxes to create many multimedia social studies projects. It was nice sometimes to incorporate some programmed animations, but if we are trying to get more teachers comfortable with using MicroWorlds, we can encourage them to combine static graphics and text as a first step. I also created an "empty book" project which already had empty textboxes and navigation arrows and plenty of pages already set up (another version generated pages automatically as needed, complete with new textboxes and programmed navigation arrows). It had a title page; the student just needed to type the title and author in the preformatted textboxes. It also had a planning page where students could list their characters, make note of any references, do some brainstorming, etc. I much preferred using MW for creating multimedia projects in this way rather than PowerPoint or HyperStudio, because this way we could keep the focus on generating meaningful content. With PowerPoint or HyperStudio, students begin to get too distracted by the formatting decisions before they've developed their content. With MicroWorlds, it is easy to start with a bare-bones text box and then gradually add the bells and whistles after the text is written. I will try to locate this empty book project and a few other useful template projects and share them soon with this list. I hope you'll find some of these ideas useful... and if you've managed to read to the end of this message, I congratulate you heartily! Wendy Petti MicroWorlds in Action http://mia.openworldlearning.org Math Cats http://www.mathcats.com _______________________________________________ MWForum mailing list MWForum@lists.mathcats.com http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum Attachments archived at: http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Sun Feb 29 01:49:56 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Marian Rosen) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 19:49:56 -0600 Subject: [MWForum]turning teachers on to MW - the graphics are great! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <93B16DE4-6A59-11D8-994B-0030655A4ED6@brick.net> About those gif files... Is the background white or clear? Also, could you give me the concise differences between a .jpg .gif and .pict I kind of know this, but not well enough to use it to my advantage. On Friday, February 27, 2004, at 02:49 AM, Steve Robson wrote: > ...and another thought! If you want some good graphics for turtle > shapes, you can search the 'net (with appropriate care) and locate a > web page graphic which can be copied and pasted to the shape centre. > The tumbnails in Google image search are ofetn a useful size, and if > the search is made for gif files only, the background is often white. From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Sun Feb 29 09:21:27 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Steve Robson) Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 09:21:27 +0000 Subject: [MWForum]turning teachers on to MW - the graphics are great! Message-ID:

Hi Marian,

The background on the gifs might be clear or white, if you paste into MW it doesn't actually matter because the transparency is lost anyway. To restore transparent backgrounds, just double click the shape in the shape centre, then pour in the transparent colour from the colour palette onto the background. The point is that as long as the background is plain, you can make it transparent easily. Also if you find an animated gif, you could take it apart to make an animated turtle.

Also, depending on the version of MW you are using, the transparent colour might take a little bit of locating; the earlier versions use (if memory serves me) the lightest shade of white.

Filetypes - you could write a short book on the question, but in brief, here goes...

GIF (Graphic Image File) have a max of 256 colours, can have transparent areas, are used in animations, are often logos, cartoons, text.

JPEG (.jpg -Joint Photographer Expert Group) can have up to 16 million colours, can be compressed to lower the file size, are often used for photographs. If you copy and paste a big, colour-rich jpeg into MW (especially earlier versions) you will notice that the colour depth is reduced.

PICT(Mac format) PICTs are Mac produced bit maps and object image files... basically, these are images made on a mac.

more here: http://www.wfu.edu/~matthews/misc/graphics/formats/formats.html

Hope this helps, good luck

Steve

From: Marian Rosen
Reply-To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com
To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com
Subject: Re: [MWForum]turning teachers on to MW - the graphics are great!
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 19:49:56 -0600
About those gif files...  Is the background white or clear?
Also, could you give me the concise differences between a .jpg  .gif  and .pict
I kind of know this, but not well enough to use it to my advantage.
On Friday, February 27, 2004, at 02:49 AM, Steve Robson wrote:
>...and another thought! If you want some good graphics for turtle
>shapes, you can search the 'net (with appropriate care) and locate a
>web page graphic which can be copied and pasted to the shape centre.
>The tumbnails in Google image search are ofetn a useful size, and if
>the search is made for gif files only, the background is often
>white.
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More about graphics

Sorry Marian, there's beena delay here, my first response didn't make it; here goes again.

The Gif background may be white or clear. If you copy from the internet and paste it into the shape centre, you will need to fill the background of the sprite in with 'transparent paint' from within MW anyway. It's just easier when the background is all one colour. Gifs can be animations, so you can unpack  them (using a GIF animator) and paste them, one by one, into the shape centre to use as animated turtles.

Graphic Filetypes.

This is a big question, but very, very briefly, here goes:

JPEGs have 16 million colours, can be compressed without becoming visibly too bad to use and are great for photo's and so on. If you paste, or insert a jpeg into MW (certainly early versions) you may notice some strange colours appearing.

GIFs are much smaller (sizewise), have a maximum of 256 colours, can be animated and can have transparent areas.

PICTs are native Mac format pictures.

The above is just a very quick answer, you can get loads more if you need it from

http://graphicssoft.about.com/cs/graphicformats/

Hope this helps

Regards

Steve

From: Marian Rosen
Reply-To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com
To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com
Subject: Re: [MWForum]turning teachers on to MW - the graphics are great!
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 19:49:56 -0600
About those gif files...  Is the background white or clear?
Also, could you give me the concise differences between a .jpg  .gif  and .pict
I kind of know this, but not well enough to use it to my advantage.
On Friday, February 27, 2004, at 02:49 AM, Steve Robson wrote:
>...and another thought! If you want some good graphics for turtle
>shapes, you can search the 'net (with appropriate care) and locate a
>web page graphic which can be copied and pasted to the shape centre.
>The tumbnails in Google image search are ofetn a useful size, and if
>the search is made for gif files only, the background is often
>white.
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------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C40045.AD432A20-- --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Tue Mar 2 16:46:33 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Daniel Ajoy) Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 11:46:33 -0500 Subject: [MWForum] CASE conditional? In-Reply-To: <001b01c4006f$96193220$b05a0a0a@BOBIRVING> References: Message-ID: <40447419.15011.EB9F0D@localhost> Hi Bob, In Logo you can program structures: TO TRYME QUESTION [ENTER A SINGLE DIGIT NUMBER OR YOUR NAME] CASE ANSWER [ [1 2 3] [show (se 1 2 "or 3 "entered.)] [4 5 6] [show (se 4 5 "or 6 "entered.)] else [show [default case selected]] ] END TO CASE :VALUE :CASES IF EMPTY? :CASES [STOP] IF OR EQUAL? "ELSE FIRST :CASES MEMBER? :VALUE FIRST :CASES [RUN FIRST BUTFIRST :CASES STOP] CASE :VALUE BUTFIRST BUTFIRST :CASES END Daniel OpenWorld Learning On 2 Mar 2004 at 11:01, Bob Irving wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm a newbie MW instructor, using it in grade 6, where I am having my > students write a game for the grade 5 math classes. What I'm wondering is > if there is some sort of CASE structure, which would allow several options > to an answer: kind of yes/no/maybe/not sure. Then have branching logic for > each one. > > Or do I just have to use 4 if statements? > > TIA, > Bob Irving > Middle School Technology Coordinator > Lancaster Country Day School > Lancaster, PA 17603 > Weblog: http://bobirving.weblogs.us/ > From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Tue Mar 2 19:29:36 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Kathy Verzoni) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 14:29:36 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]Procedure for getting many turtles onscreen at once. Message-ID: <380-22004322192936625@mohonasen.org> Hello, my name is Mike and I am a student of Dr=2E Verzoni=2E I was wondering if there was a certain procedure that you could enter in Microworlds Pro that would allow me to get many turtles onscreen at once=2E What I mean is that the turtles generate themeselves=2E As the user clicks on a turtle that has progressed toward the bottom of the screen, it dissapears=2E Then another hatches at the top of the screen=2E Thank you very much=2E From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Wed Mar 3 18:37:49 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Chris Myers) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 11:37:49 -0700 Subject: [MWForum]Two Turtles on Mars Message-ID: <001701c4014e$a20d6440$0201a8c0@openworld.local> Dear MW Forum, I loved this brief and funny posting from Pavel Boytchev on the Logo Forum. It's about the Sprit Rover -- and Turtles on Mars. -Chris Christopher Myers Founder and Executive Director OpenWorld Learning (OWL) Denver, Colorado 303-744-8495 www.openworldlearning.org Message: 1 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 07:35:07 +0200 From: Pavel Boytchev Subject: Two turtles on Mars Hi everybody, I was just reading the NASA update of Spirit and Opportunity activities, when I found this: "...The rover was directed to: turn right, go forward, turn right, take images of "Last Chance," turn right, go forward, turn left, go forward, turn right, take images of "Big Bend," go straight, turn left and go straight! ..." Does it look familiar to you? Here is the URL for the complete update: http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html To be honest I didn't mean this when at Eurologo 2003 I expressed hope that Logo and turtles will 'spread' all over the Earth, and *beyond*... Pavel Christopher Myers Founder and Executive Director OpenWorld Learning (OWL) 303-744-8495 www.openworldlearning.org From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Wed Mar 3 20:15:03 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Wendy Petti) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 15:15:03 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]Procedure for getting many turtles onscreen at once. In-Reply-To: <380-22004322192936625@mohonasen.org> Message-ID: Hi Mike, Yes, there is a way to "hatch" as many turtles as you'd like, under program control. The two procedures below "kill" the existing turtles on a page and hatch new ones. You need to name the new turtles as they are hatched, and the "hatchturtles" procedure automatically numbers them, starting with t1. (If you need to retain turtles that already are numbered, you'll need to change the naming scheme below.) The turtles are hatched at the center of the page and they are hidden when first hatched. This gives you the opportunity to place them in a new position and change their size and shape before making them visible. You can also set an instruction for each newly-hatched turtle. The sample procedure below hatches a random number of new turtles (at least 10 and as many as 34). It sets them to moving in random directions. These procedures were taken from an "anthill" project at OWL's MicroWorlds in Action site; the ants appear to be pouring out of an anthill and the user tries to guess how many ants are scurrying around the page. http://mia.openworldlearning.org/ant_hill/ant_hill_6.htm * * * * * to killturtles everyone [remove who] end to hatchturtles make "no 1 sethowmany 10 + random 25 repeat howmany [newturtle word "t :no setsize 13 st setinstruction [forever [fd 2]] seth random 360 make "no :no + 1] end * * * * * But I'd also like to ask you: do you really need to hatch new turtles? If a turtle is disappearing at the bottom of the page and then "another" turtle is appearing at the top of the page, can you not use the same turtle for this purpose without killing one and hatching another? Wouldn't this work as well? to hide-and-show ht setpos [0 250] st end (using the desired coordinates instead of the samples above, of course) Would you mind sharing the finished project with us? It sounds interesting!! Wendy Petti OWL's MicroWorlds in Action http://mia.openworldlearning.org Math Cats http://www.mathcats.com > -----Original Message----- > From: mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com > [mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com]On Behalf Of Kathy Verzoni > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 2:30 PM > To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com > Subject: [MWForum]Procedure for getting many turtles onscreen at once. > > > Hello, my name is Mike and I am a student of Dr. Verzoni. I was > wondering if there was a certain procedure that you could enter in > Microworlds Pro that would allow me to get many turtles onscreen at > once. What I mean is that the turtles generate themeselves. As the > user clicks on a turtle that has progressed toward the bottom of the > screen, it dissapears. Then another hatches at the top of the screen. > Thank you very much. > > _______________________________________________ > MWForum mailing list > MWForum@lists.mathcats.com > http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum > Attachments archived at: > http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html > To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact > mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com > From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Thu Mar 4 13:24:42 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Kathy Verzoni) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 08:24:42 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]Procedure for getting many turtles onscreen at once. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000f01c401ec$0f065780$7407000a@kverzoni> Hi Wendy -- Thanks for your thorough response to Mike's question. I'll make sure that he gets it today. Regards, Kathy Verzoni -----Original Message----- From: mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com [mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com]On Behalf Of Wendy Petti Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 3:15 PM To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Subject: RE: [MWForum]Procedure for getting many turtles onscreen at once. Hi Mike, Yes, there is a way to "hatch" as many turtles as you'd like, under program control. The two procedures below "kill" the existing turtles on a page and hatch new ones. You need to name the new turtles as they are hatched, and the "hatchturtles" procedure automatically numbers them, starting with t1. (If you need to retain turtles that already are numbered, you'll need to change the naming scheme below.) The turtles are hatched at the center of the page and they are hidden when first hatched. This gives you the opportunity to place them in a new position and change their size and shape before making them visible. You can also set an instruction for each newly-hatched turtle. The sample procedure below hatches a random number of new turtles (at least 10 and as many as 34). It sets them to moving in random directions. These procedures were taken from an "anthill" project at OWL's MicroWorlds in Action site; the ants appear to be pouring out of an anthill and the user tries to guess how many ants are scurrying around the page. http://mia.openworldlearning.org/ant_hill/ant_hill_6.htm * * * * * to killturtles everyone [remove who] end to hatchturtles make "no 1 sethowmany 10 + random 25 repeat howmany [newturtle word "t :no setsize 13 st setinstruction [forever [fd 2]] seth random 360 make "no :no + 1] end * * * * * But I'd also like to ask you: do you really need to hatch new turtles? If a turtle is disappearing at the bottom of the page and then "another" turtle is appearing at the top of the page, can you not use the same turtle for this purpose without killing one and hatching another? Wouldn't this work as well? to hide-and-show ht setpos [0 250] st end (using the desired coordinates instead of the samples above, of course) Would you mind sharing the finished project with us? It sounds interesting!! Wendy Petti OWL's MicroWorlds in Action http://mia.openworldlearning.org Math Cats http://www.mathcats.com > -----Original Message----- > From: mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com > [mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com]On Behalf Of Kathy Verzoni > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 2:30 PM > To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com > Subject: [MWForum]Procedure for getting many turtles onscreen at once. > > > Hello, my name is Mike and I am a student of Dr. Verzoni. I was > wondering if there was a certain procedure that you could enter in > Microworlds Pro that would allow me to get many turtles onscreen at > once. What I mean is that the turtles generate themeselves. As the > user clicks on a turtle that has progressed toward the bottom of the > screen, it dissapears. Then another hatches at the top of the screen. > Thank you very much. > > _______________________________________________ > MWForum mailing list > MWForum@lists.mathcats.com > http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum > Attachments archived at: > http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html > To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact > mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com > _______________________________________________ MWForum mailing list MWForum@lists.mathcats.com http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum Attachments archived at: http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Sat Mar 6 13:39:35 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Ask an Expert - Question) Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 08:39:35 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]MIA, Ask an Expert Question Message-ID: <40498E47.24349.91D47@localhost> This is an automatic message sent from the web form at: http://mia.openworldlearning.org/howdoi.htm from: "Craig Yager" date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 18:21:15 -0700 What is the most recent MicroWorlds book that you would recommend for use in teaching teachers to program and also philosophy about Logo? From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Sun Mar 7 14:15:30 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Steve Robson) Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 14:15:30 +0000 Subject: [MWForum]MIA, Ask an Expert Question Message-ID:

Hi Craig,

I'd be interested in the MicroWorlds answer myself! As to Logo philiosphy, I think the commonly held response would be Seymour Papert's 'Mindstorms, Children Computers and Powerful Ideas'. In terms of technology it's dated, but in respect of the philosphy of Logo, I really liked it. Good luck with finding it!

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------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C40422.86EB6730-- From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Sun Mar 7 18:21:01 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Karen Randall) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 12:21:01 -0600 Subject: [MWForum]books In-Reply-To: <001101c40454$2e969140$70b3fea9@Downstairs> References: <001101c40454$2e969140$70b3fea9@Downstairs> Message-ID: As someone who has been walking this path since fall, I too am curious about the "official" answer to current books teaching Logo via Microworlds. My experience suggests that the constructivist approach is applied to teaching resources as well. There is a ton of useful stuff to dig through http://www.microworlds.com/library/index.html, but there's nothing like a clearly laid out printed manual to get a new user going. From the Terrapin Logo web site, comes these three beginner project-type books: Getting Started with Logo,Petula Allen and Ann Slater Logo Works: Lessons in Logo, Sheila Cory and Margie Walker 101 Ideas for Logo, Dorothy Fitch What is the Microworlds equivalent? From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Sun Mar 7 23:04:34 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Ray Catzel) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 18:04:34 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I believe the best resources for MicroWorlds is via the Internet - and why not, since that is the medium through which any state of the art computer software will distribute and publish information. --------Ray Catzel -----Original Message----- From: mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com [mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com]On Behalf Of Karen Randall Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 1:21 PM To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Subject: Re: [MWForum]books As someone who has been walking this path since fall, I too am curious about the "official" answer to current books teaching Logo via Microworlds. My experience suggests that the constructivist approach is applied to teaching resources as well. There is a ton of useful stuff to dig through http://www.microworlds.com/library/index.html, but there's nothing like a clearly laid out printed manual to get a new user going. From the Terrapin Logo web site, comes these three beginner project-type books: Getting Started with Logo,Petula Allen and Ann Slater Logo Works: Lessons in Logo, Sheila Cory and Margie Walker 101 Ideas for Logo, Dorothy Fitch What is the Microworlds equivalent? _______________________________________________ MWForum mailing list MWForum@lists.mathcats.com http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum Attachments archived at: http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Mon Mar 8 16:53:51 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Wendy Petti) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 11:53:51 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have a few remarks on the matter of MW books: 1) From what I understand, after the early versions of MW, LCSI made the decision to focus on software itself rather than on printed manuals and supplementary resources. Sharon Yoder (not affiliated with LCSI) wrote several books on MW 2.0 which are now out of print. I bought them but did not find them as helpful as LCSI's early print materials. 2) I believe I've read recently that LCSI has recently produced a book on MicroWorlds EX, but I can find no mention of it on their site or anywhere else. Perhaps it is still in production. (Also, MW EX comes with more helpful resources built into the software, including tutorials and projects.) 3) After Jim Muller wrote "The Great Logo Adventure" (which focused on MSWLogo but much of it is applicable to all versions of Logo), he mentioned on the LogoForum list that in the future he would stick to electronic distribution of Logo writings. And his book did become available for free, electronically, a year or two after it was published. I think part of his reasoning for shying away from print resources in the future is that it takes so long to bring a book to market and by then one wishes to make changes. As Ray points out, state-of-the-art computer software and related information is typically distributed through the Internet, and I'm sure that the main reasons are the ease of distribution and the ease of updating information. 4) I agree that sometimes print materials are the easiest to use and to refer to, although perhaps that's only because we are all still adjusting to the world of electronic information. But I found it a huge help, years ago in the days of MW 1.0 and the first MW 2.0 for Mac, to refer to the print resources packaged with the software, including step-by-step projects. (Prior to that, I valued the old Logowriter activity cards.) I believe that some of these resources were included electronically in later versions on the CD but I don't think they are any more. I wonder if LCSI might consider placing some of these early MW resources in downloadable version on their website. 5) I'd like to remind you that OpenWorld Learning has been developing a collection of online MW resources at the MicroWorlds in Action site - http://mia.openworldlearning.org. The project folders there guide users through building related projects of increasing complexity. The "educational context" materials in the Resources area give some background on the "Logo philosophy" and ideas on using MW in a constructivist computer lab. We would welcome your input and contribution of ideas, articles, "how do I" tips, etc., as we continue to build this online MW resource. Wendy Petti OWL's MicroWorlds in Action http://mia.openworldlearning.org Math Cats http://www.mathcats.com > -----Original Message----- > From: mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com > [mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com]On Behalf Of Ray Catzel > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 6:05 PM > To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com > Subject: RE: [MWForum]books > > > I believe the best resources for MicroWorlds is via the Internet - and why > not, since that is the medium through which any state of the art computer > software will distribute and publish information. > --------Ray Catzel From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Tue Mar 9 02:40:56 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (cy) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 19:40:56 -0700 Subject: [MWForum]books References: Message-ID: <006201c4057f$fd5491e0$70b3fea9@Downstairs> Thanks Wendy... and Ray... for your ideas. Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendy Petti" To: Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 9:53 AM Subject: RE: [MWForum]books > I have a few remarks on the matter of MW books: > > 1) From what I understand, after the early versions of MW, LCSI made the > decision to focus on software itself rather than on printed manuals and > supplementary resources. Sharon Yoder (not affiliated with LCSI) wrote > several books on MW 2.0 which are now out of print. I bought them but did > not find them as helpful as LCSI's early print materials. > > 2) I believe I've read recently that LCSI has recently produced a book on > MicroWorlds EX, but I can find no mention of it on their site or anywhere > else. Perhaps it is still in production. (Also, MW EX comes with more > helpful resources built into the software, including tutorials and > projects.) > > 3) After Jim Muller wrote "The Great Logo Adventure" (which focused on > MSWLogo but much of it is applicable to all versions of Logo), he mentioned > on the LogoForum list that in the future he would stick to electronic > distribution of Logo writings. And his book did become available for free, > electronically, a year or two after it was published. I think part of his > reasoning for shying away from print resources in the future is that it > takes so long to bring a book to market and by then one wishes to make > changes. As Ray points out, state-of-the-art computer software and related > information is typically distributed through the Internet, and I'm sure that > the main reasons are the ease of distribution and the ease of updating > information. > > 4) I agree that sometimes print materials are the easiest to use and to > refer to, although perhaps that's only because we are all still adjusting to > the world of electronic information. But I found it a huge help, years ago > in the days of MW 1.0 and the first MW 2.0 for Mac, to refer to the print > resources packaged with the software, including step-by-step projects. > (Prior to that, I valued the old Logowriter activity cards.) I believe that > some of these resources were included electronically in later versions on > the CD but I don't think they are any more. I wonder if LCSI might consider > placing some of these early MW resources in downloadable version on their > website. > > 5) I'd like to remind you that OpenWorld Learning has been developing a > collection of online MW resources at the MicroWorlds in Action site - > http://mia.openworldlearning.org. The project folders there guide users > through building related projects of increasing complexity. The > "educational context" materials in the Resources area give some background > on the "Logo philosophy" and ideas on using MW in a constructivist computer > lab. We would welcome your input and contribution of ideas, articles, "how > do I" tips, etc., as we continue to build this online MW resource. > > Wendy Petti > OWL's MicroWorlds in Action > http://mia.openworldlearning.org > Math Cats > http://www.mathcats.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com > > [mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com]On Behalf Of Ray Catzel > > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 6:05 PM > > To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com > > Subject: RE: [MWForum]books > > > > > > I believe the best resources for MicroWorlds is via the Internet - and why > > not, since that is the medium through which any state of the art computer > > software will distribute and publish information. > > --------Ray Catzel > > > > _______________________________________________ > MWForum mailing list > MWForum@lists.mathcats.com > http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum > Attachments archived at: > http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html > To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact > mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com > From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Tue Mar 9 17:24:35 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Logo Computer Systems Inc.) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 12:24:35 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >I have a few remarks on the matter of MW books: > >1) From what I understand, after the early versions of MW, LCSI made the >decision to focus on software itself rather than on printed manuals and >supplementary resources. Sharon Yoder (not affiliated with LCSI) wrote >several books on MW 2.0 which are now out of print. I bought them but did >not find them as helpful as LCSI's early print materials. > >2) I believe I've read recently that LCSI has recently produced a book on >MicroWorlds EX, but I can find no mention of it on their site or anywhere >else. Perhaps it is still in production. (Also, MW EX comes with more >helpful resources built into the software, including tutorials and >projects.) Hello, you can download most of LCSI's documentation (.pdf's) through the following address: http://www.microworlds.com/support/documentation.html Regards. Shawn Jesty LCSI -- Logo Computer Systems Inc. 1 Westmount Square, Suite 300 Montreal,QC Canada H3Z 2P9 info@lcsi.ca www.lcsi.ca From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Tue Mar 9 18:04:47 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Harvey Bornfield) Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 11:04:47 -0700 Subject: [MWForum]books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20040309110047.00b4f610@pop.earthlink.net> --=====================_421247551==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed To Karen, Wendi, Ray, I e-mailed Sharon Yoder yesterday regarding her MW tutorials; They are alive and well, and available at www.skyiespublishing.com......... warm regards, Harvey At 11:53 AM 3/8/2004, you wrote: >I have a few remarks on the matter of MW books: > >1) From what I understand, after the early versions of MW, LCSI made the >decision to focus on software itself rather than on printed manuals and >supplementary resources. Sharon Yoder (not affiliated with LCSI) wrote >several books on MW 2.0 which are now out of print. I bought them but did >not find them as helpful as LCSI's early print materials. > >2) I believe I've read recently that LCSI has recently produced a book on >MicroWorlds EX, but I can find no mention of it on their site or anywhere >else. Perhaps it is still in production. (Also, MW EX comes with more >helpful resources built into the software, including tutorials and >projects.) > >3) After Jim Muller wrote "The Great Logo Adventure" (which focused on >MSWLogo but much of it is applicable to all versions of Logo), he mentioned >on the LogoForum list that in the future he would stick to electronic >distribution of Logo writings. And his book did become available for free, >electronically, a year or two after it was published. I think part of his >reasoning for shying away from print resources in the future is that it >takes so long to bring a book to market and by then one wishes to make >changes. As Ray points out, state-of-the-art computer software and related >information is typically distributed through the Internet, and I'm sure that >the main reasons are the ease of distribution and the ease of updating >information. > >4) I agree that sometimes print materials are the easiest to use and to >refer to, although perhaps that's only because we are all still adjusting to >the world of electronic information. But I found it a huge help, years ago >in the days of MW 1.0 and the first MW 2.0 for Mac, to refer to the print >resources packaged with the software, including step-by-step projects. >(Prior to that, I valued the old Logowriter activity cards.) I believe that >some of these resources were included electronically in later versions on >the CD but I don't think they are any more. I wonder if LCSI might consider >placing some of these early MW resources in downloadable version on their >website. > >5) I'd like to remind you that OpenWorld Learning has been developing a >collection of online MW resources at the MicroWorlds in Action site - >http://mia.openworldlearning.org. The project folders there guide users >through building related projects of increasing complexity. The >"educational context" materials in the Resources area give some background >on the "Logo philosophy" and ideas on using MW in a constructivist computer >lab. We would welcome your input and contribution of ideas, articles, "how >do I" tips, etc., as we continue to build this online MW resource. > >Wendy Petti >OWL's MicroWorlds in Action >http://mia.openworldlearning.org >Math Cats >http://www.mathcats.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com > > [mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com]On Behalf Of Ray Catzel > > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 6:05 PM > > To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com > > Subject: RE: [MWForum]books > > > > > > I believe the best resources for MicroWorlds is via the Internet - and why > > not, since that is the medium through which any state of the art computer > > software will distribute and publish information. > > --------Ray Catzel > > > >_______________________________________________ >MWForum mailing list >MWForum@lists.mathcats.com >http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum >Attachments archived at: >http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html >To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact >mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com "Music is the one incorporeal entrance into the higher world of knowledge which comprehends mankind, but mankind cannot comprehend." Ludwig van Beethoven --=====================_421247551==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To Karen, Wendi, Ray,

I e-mailed Sharon Yoder yesterday regarding her MW tutorials; They are alive and well, and available at www.skyiespublishing.com.........

warm regards,
Harvey



At 11:53 AM 3/8/2004, you wrote:
I have a few remarks on the matter of MW books:

1) From what I understand, after the early versions of MW, LCSI made the
decision to focus on software itself rather than on printed manuals and
supplementary resources.  Sharon Yoder (not affiliated with LCSI) wrote
several books on MW 2.0 which are now out of print.  I bought them but did
not find them as helpful as LCSI's early print materials.

2) I believe I've read recently that LCSI has recently produced a book on
MicroWorlds EX, but I can find no mention of it on their site or anywhere
else.  Perhaps it is still in production.  (Also, MW EX comes with more
helpful resources built into the software, including tutorials and
projects.)

3) After Jim Muller wrote "The Great Logo Adventure" (which focused on
MSWLogo but much of it is applicable to all versions of Logo), he mentioned
on the LogoForum list that in the future he would stick to electronic
distribution of Logo writings.  And his book did become available for free,
electronically, a year or two after it was published.  I think part of his
reasoning for shying away from print resources in the future is that it
takes so long to bring a book to market and by then one wishes to make
changes.  As Ray points out, state-of-the-art computer software and related
information is typically distributed through the Internet, and I'm sure that
the main reasons are the ease of distribution and the ease of updating
information.

4) I agree that sometimes print materials are the easiest to use and to
refer to, although perhaps that's only because we are all still adjusting to
the world of electronic information.  But I found it a huge help, years ago
in the days of MW 1.0 and the first MW 2.0 for Mac, to refer to the print
resources packaged with the software, including step-by-step projects.
(Prior to that, I valued the old Logowriter activity cards.)  I believe that
some of these resources were included electronically in later versions on
the CD but I don't think they are any more.  I wonder if LCSI might consider
placing some of these early MW resources in downloadable version on their
website.

5) I'd like to remind you that OpenWorld Learning has been developing a
collection of online MW resources at the MicroWorlds in Action site -
http://= mia.openworldlearning.org. The project folders there guide users
through building related projects of increasing complexity.  The
"educational context" materials in the Resources area give some background
on the "Logo philosophy" and ideas on using MW in a constructivist computer
lab.  We would welcome your input and contribution of ideas, articles, "how
do I" tips, etc., as we continue to build this online MW resource.

Wendy Petti
OWL's MicroWorlds in Action
http://mia.openworldlearning.org
Math Cats
http://www.mathcats.com


> -----Original Message-----
> From: mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com
> [mail= to:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com]On Behalf Of Ray Catzel
> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 6:05 PM
> To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com
> Subject: RE: [MWForum]books
>
>
> I believe the best resources for MicroWorlds is via the Internet - and why
> not, since that is the medium through which any state of the art computer
> software will distribute and publish information.
> --------Ray Catzel



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Ludwig van Beethoven


--=====================_421247551==.ALT-- From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Tue Mar 9 22:35:28 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (krandall) Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 16:35:28 -0600 Subject: [MWForum]books Message-ID: <404e46b0.416f.16838@ties2.net> Thanks, I will check it out. From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Wed Mar 10 01:48:57 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (cy) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 18:48:57 -0700 Subject: [MWForum]books References: Message-ID: <00e501c40641$da3c1cb0$70b3fea9@Downstairs> Thanks, Shawn ~ Craig Yager Whittier International School Boulder, Colorado ----- Original Message ----- From: "Logo Computer Systems Inc." To: Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 10:24 AM Subject: RE: [MWForum]books > >I have a few remarks on the matter of MW books: > > > >1) From what I understand, after the early versions of MW, LCSI made the > >decision to focus on software itself rather than on printed manuals and > >supplementary resources. Sharon Yoder (not affiliated with LCSI) wrote > >several books on MW 2.0 which are now out of print. I bought them but did > >not find them as helpful as LCSI's early print materials. > > > >2) I believe I've read recently that LCSI has recently produced a book on > >MicroWorlds EX, but I can find no mention of it on their site or anywhere > >else. Perhaps it is still in production. (Also, MW EX comes with more > >helpful resources built into the software, including tutorials and > >projects.) > > Hello, > > you can download most of LCSI's documentation (.pdf's) through the > following address: > http://www.microworlds.com/support/documentation.html > > Regards. > > Shawn Jesty > LCSI > -- > > Logo Computer Systems Inc. > 1 Westmount Square, Suite 300 > Montreal,QC Canada > H3Z 2P9 > info@lcsi.ca > www.lcsi.ca > _______________________________________________ > MWForum mailing list > MWForum@lists.mathcats.com > http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum > Attachments archived at: > http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html > To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact > mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com > From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Wed Mar 10 03:31:06 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Daniel Ajoy) Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 22:31:06 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]Bye? Message-ID: <404E45AA.25012.54FB76@localhost> Hi MWForum, Why doesn't Microworlds has a "bye" command? Is there a way to close MW from within a program? Daniel OpenWorld Learning From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Thu Mar 11 00:17:57 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Ask an Expert - Question) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 19:17:57 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]MIA, Ask an Expert Question Message-ID: <404F69E5.3728.4FF4D@localhost> This is an automatic message sent from the web form at: http://mia.openworldlearning.org/howdoi.htm from: "stephane" date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 14:35:11 -0700 How can i close my program with any logo vocabulary? From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Thu Mar 18 01:24:32 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Ask an Expert - Question) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 20:24:32 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]MIA, Ask an Expert Question Message-ID: <4058B400.230.29D1B4@localhost> This is an automatic message sent from the web form at: http://mia.openworldlearning.org/howdoi.htm from: "jayne" date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 15:37:01 -0700 i want to click on buttons to name the solar system in order. how can i programe in the procedures to check that it is the correct order? From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Thu Mar 18 22:37:38 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Menefee, Mike -OC) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 14:37:38 -0800 Subject: [MWForum]Newbie Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C40D39.9D9437D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi All, I am Mike Menefee, a teacher in Silverdale, Washington. Have been teaching Logo for years, and have progressed through the DOS and Windows versions up to EX. Many great successes. Some of my former 5th graders are now off at college and thanking me for the skills they began to hone in Logo. Frustrations: I am self-taught, and struggle with some concepts and tasks. Future concerns: Helping a blind student with MicroWorlds! Looking forward to collaborating. Mike ------_=_NextPart_001_01C40D39.9D9437D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hi All,
 
I am Mike Menefee, a teacher in Silverdale, Washington.
 
Have been teaching Logo for years, and have progressed through the DOS and Windows versions up to EX.
 
Many great successes.  Some of my former 5th graders are now off at college and thanking me for the skills they began to hone in Logo.
 
Frustrations:  I am self-taught, and struggle with some concepts and tasks.
 
Future concerns:  Helping a blind student with MicroWorlds!
 
Looking forward to collaborating.
 
Mike
------_=_NextPart_001_01C40D39.9D9437D0-- From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Sat Mar 20 15:27:15 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Cathy's Mail) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 10:27:15 -0500 Subject: [MWForum](no subject) Message-ID: <000001c40e8f$d3822350$6500a8c0@FAMILY> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C40E65.EAAC1B50 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0002_01C40E65.EAAC1B50" ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C40E65.EAAC1B50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi. I am trying to create a virtual pet using Gary Stagers webpage: www.stager.org/articles/tamagotchi.html HOUR is not working at all. There must be an HOUR going on in the background, but it has me stuck. I had to rename MESSAGE to MESSAGES. Why? Has anyone done this and can they help me? Thanks. Cathy Berger ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C40E65.EAAC1B50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi.  I am trying to create a virtual = pet using Gary Stagers webpage:  www.stager.org/ar= ticles/tamagotchi.html

 

HOUR is not = working at all.  There must be an HOUR = going on in the background, but it has me stuck.  I had to rename MESSAGE to MESSAGES.  Why?  Has anyone done this and can = they help me?  Thanks.<= /p>

 

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From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Mon Mar 22 13:22:08 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Consuella Jackson) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 05:22:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [MWForum]microworlds on website Message-ID: <20040322132208.62033.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1162249886-1079961728=:61453 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm trying to put a microworlds project on a website. It was created with microworlds and edited with microworlds pro. I have one imported wav file and one avi file. I've save the project as an HTML and imported both the HTML and project to my web folder. I have both the wav and avi in the same folder. The project works, except the above mentioned files. How do I go back and point the files to read the ones in the folder? thanks, Consuella --0-1162249886-1079961728=:61453 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I'm trying to put a microworlds project on a website. It was created with microworlds and edited with microworlds pro. I have one  imported wav file and one avi file.  I've save the project as an HTML and imported both the HTML and project to my web folder. I have both the wav and avi in the same folder. The project works, except the above mentioned files.
 
How do I go back and point the files to read the ones in the folder?
 
thanks,
Consuella
--0-1162249886-1079961728=:61453-- From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Mon Mar 22 16:05:54 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Logo Computer Systems Inc.) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:05:54 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]microworlds on website In-Reply-To: <20040322132208.62033.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040322132208.62033.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: >I'm trying to put a microworlds project on a website. It was created >with microworlds and edited with microworlds pro. I have one > imported wav file and one avi file. I've save the project as an >HTML and imported both the HTML and project to my web folder. I have >both the wav and avi in the same folder. The project works, except >the above mentioned files. > >How do I go back and point the files to read the ones in the folder? > Dear Consuella, this particular problem can happen if the independent files (.wav and .avi) were not properly linked before creating the .html template. Simply place all three files (.wav, .avi , .mw2 or .mwz) in the same folder, launch the .mw2 file with MicroWorlds Pro (v.1.1), re-import the media files and then create the .html template. Test the project by opening the .html template with your latest WebPlayer (http://www.microworlds.com/webplayer/index.html) equipped Internet browser. If everything works, you can upload the files to overwrite the existing files on your web server. Please note, that you should only user lowercase characters in the file names. We also don't recommend the use of video clips for online projects due to longer loading time. You can find more information on using media files with online projects from the following link: http://www.microworlds.com/library/post.html Let me know how it goes. Regards. Shawn Jesty LCSI -- Logo Computer Systems Inc. 1 Westmount Square, Suite 300 Montreal,QC Canada H3Z 2P9 info@lcsi.ca www.lcsi.ca From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Mon Mar 22 17:17:43 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Marian Rosen) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:17:43 -0600 Subject: [MWForum]Newbie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --Apple-Mail-2-736932160 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mike, I, have two students (Grades 1 and 4) who are blind. I've worked=20= with Logo for many years, but have not been too successful in figuring=20= out how to take advantage of Logo for them. We do some tactile=20 transfers... For geometry units - we use manipulatives (cut straws on string = for=20 rule of 360), geoboards, small magnet board with magnetic shapes to=20 build designs, cubes, pattern blocks, etc. For patterning lessons I once tried substituting sounds from the = music=20 maker. Of course, the child couldn't "read" the music maker, so I made=20= a little computer keyboard music system. I was quite pleased with=20 myself until it occurred to me that that was really dumb since I could=20= give the kid an actual keyboard which would be like every piano=20 keyboard in the world and be much more effective! Give a person a=20 hammer and the whole world looks like a nail. Give a Logophile=20 MicroWorlds and the whole world looks like... I then began to ask around among the specialists in adaptive = software=20 for open ended, constructivist environments for visually handicapped=20 kids. I didn't get too far. I have the nagging feeling there should be more... Please let me know what you come up with. Marian Rosen Instructional Tech Coordinator Conway School, Ladue, Missouri, 63124 On Thursday, March 18, 2004, at 04:37 PM, Menefee, Mike -OC wrote: > Hi All, > =A0 > I am Mike Menefee, a teacher in Silverdale, Washington. > =A0 > Have been teaching Logo for years, and have progressed through the DOS=20= > and Windows versions up to EX. > =A0 > Many great successes.=A0 Some of my former 5th graders are now off at=20= > college and thanking me for the skills they began to hone in Logo. > =A0 > Frustrations:=A0 I am self-taught, and struggle with some concepts and=20= > tasks. > =A0 > Future concerns:=A0 Helping a blind student with MicroWorlds! > =A0 > Looking forward to collaborating. > =A0 > Mike --Apple-Mail-2-736932160 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mike, I, have two students (Grades 1 and 4) who are blind. I've worked with Logo for many years, but have not been too successful in figuring out how to take advantage of Logo for them. We do some tactile transfers...=20 For geometry units - we use manipulatives (cut straws on string = for rule of 360), geoboards, small magnet board with magnetic shapes to build designs, cubes, pattern blocks, etc. For patterning lessons I once tried substituting sounds from the music maker. Of course, the child couldn't "read" the music maker, so I made a little computer keyboard music system. I was quite pleased with myself until it occurred to me that that was really dumb since I could give the kid an actual keyboard which would be like every piano keyboard in the world and be much more effective! Give a person a hammer and the whole world looks like a nail. Give a Logophile MicroWorlds and the whole world looks like... I then began to ask around among the specialists in adaptive = software for open ended, constructivist environments for visually handicapped kids. I didn't get too far. I have the nagging feeling there should be more...=20 Please let me know what you come up with. Marian Rosen Instructional Tech Coordinator Conway School, Ladue, Missouri, 63124 On Thursday, March 18, 2004, at 04:37 PM, Menefee, Mike -OC wrote: ArialHi = All, =A0 ArialI am Mike Menefee, a teacher in Silverdale, Washington. =A0 ArialHave been teaching Logo for years, and have progressed through the DOS and Windows versions up to EX. =A0 ArialMany great successes.=A0 Some of my former 5th graders are now off at college and thanking me for the skills they began to hone in Logo. =A0 ArialFrustrations:=A0 I am self-taught, and struggle with some concepts and = tasks. =A0 ArialFuture concerns:=A0 Helping a blind student with MicroWorlds! =A0 ArialLooking forward to collaborating. =A0 ArialMike = --Apple-Mail-2-736932160-- From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Mon Mar 22 18:54:50 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Consuella Jackson) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 10:54:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [MWForum]microworlds on website In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040322185450.90558.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1839783175-1079981690=:87704 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks, I removed the avi file and one of the wav files. Everything works well. Thanks again. Dear Consuella, this particular problem can happen if the independent files (.wav and .avi) were not properly linked before creating the .html template. Simply place all three files (.wav, .avi , .mw2 or .mwz) in the same folder, launch the .mw2 file with MicroWorlds Pro (v.1.1), re-import the media files and then create the .html template. Test the project by opening the .html template with your latest WebPlayer (http://www.microworlds.com/webplayer/index.html) equipped Internet browser. If everything works, you can upload the files to overwrite the existing files on your web server. Please note, that you should only user lowercase characters in the file names. We also don't recommend the use of video clips for online projects due to longer loading time. You can find more information on using media files with online projects from the following link: http://www.microworlds.com/library/post.html Let me know how it goes. Regards. Shawn Jesty LCSI -- Logo Computer Systems Inc. 1 Westmount Square, Suite 300 Montreal,QC Canada H3Z 2P9 info@lcsi.ca www.lcsi.ca _______________________________________________ MWForum mailing list MWForum@lists.mathcats.com http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum Attachments archived at: http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com --0-1839783175-1079981690=:87704 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Thanks,
I removed the avi file and one of the wav files. Everything works well. Thanks again.
Dear Consuella,

this particular problem can happen if the independent files (.wav and
.avi) were not properly linked before creating the .html template.
Simply place all three files (.wav, .avi , .mw2 or .mwz) in the same
folder, launch the .mw2 file with MicroWorlds Pro (v.1.1), re-import
the media files and then create the .html template. Test the project
by opening the .html template with your latest WebPlayer
(http://www.microworlds.com/webplayer/index.html) equipped Internet
browser. If everything works, you can upload the files to overwrite
the existing files on your web server.

Please note, that you should only user lowercase characters in the
file names. We also don't recommend the use of video clips for
online projects due to longer loading time. You can find more
information on using media files with online projects from the
following link: http://www.microworlds.com/library/post.html

Let me know how it goes.

Regards.

Shawn Jesty
LCSI


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--0-1839783175-1079981690=:87704-- From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Mon Mar 22 21:12:44 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Wendy Petti) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 16:12:44 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]microworlds on website Message-ID: I understand that Consuella's problem is now resolved, but I wanted to expand on a few of Shawn's remarks because others might also have encountered difficulties with posting MW projects linking to external media files. (I tried sending the message below this morning but my message never got posted to the list.) - Wendy -----Original Message----- From: Wendy Petti [mailto:wpetti@mathcats.com] Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 11:45 AM To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Subject: RE: [MWForum]microworlds on website > Please note, that you should only user lowercase characters in the > file names. 1) Sometimes .WAV or .AVI files might have the extension itself written in capital letters, such as: dogbarking.WAV *** Ironically, despite Shawn's important advice to use only lowercase characters in file names, the media files included on the MWPro 1.1 CD (and included with at least some of the earlier versions of MW too) are named entirely with uppercase letters, for the file name and the extension name! *** When you include media files containing uppercase letters, everything seems to work fine when you use the project offline, but viewed online through the webplayer, the media files will not load if the file names OR extension names are capitalized. It is not apparent when you look at the file name if the extension itself is written in upper or lower case; you can't see the extension name itself. But if you use an FTP program (such as WS_FTP Pro) to upload your files, you can then see the full file names with extension, and you can edit them to make the extension names lowercase. As a precaution, whenever I create my own media files (including animated GIF's), I always type in the extension name in lowercase as I am naming the file. Using the example above, I would type: dogbarking.wav rather than just dogbarking when I am naming the file. This overrides the default capitalization of extension names built into some applications. 2) Also: be aware that not all computers can access all types of media files. If you use external files, it is possible that a subset of your potential users (for instance, Mac users) may not be able to access the project at all (not just the media file) if you incorporate an external file into your project. I've had this experience but I don't remember if it occurs whenever an incompatible external file is included anywhere in the project or only when it is part of a startup procedure. 3) Finally: bear in mind that dial-up connections usually load files at the rate of around 4 kilobytes per second (that would be 240 kb per minute). If you have a project and related files requiring (let's say) 1 mb of file transfer, it would take a typical user roughly four minutes just to access your project. In the meantime, the page just hangs there, and most people decide there is something wrong and leave the site. So if you feel you *must* upload a huge project, please issue a cautionary note next to the link to that page, stating the total file size and warning that the project might take several minutes or longer to load. I always include screenshots of the project, too, so that the user can get a quick sense of the project environment before deciding if it is worth the time and trouble to view the project itself. Wendy Petti OWL's MicroWorlds in Action http://mia.openworldlearning.org Math Cats http://www.mathcats.com From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Mon Mar 22 16:44:51 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Wendy Petti) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:44:51 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]microworlds on website In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I want to emphasize and expand on Shawn's remarks: > Please note, that you should only user lowercase characters in the > file names. 1) Sometimes .WAV or .AVI files might have the extension itself written in capital letters, such as: dogbarking.WAV *** Ironically, despite Shawn's important advice to use only lowercase characters in file names, the media files included on the MWPro 1.1 CD (and included with at least some of the earlier versions of MW too) are named entirely with uppercase letters, for the file name and the extension name! *** When you include media files containing uppercase letters, everything seems to work fine when you use the project offline, but viewed online through the webplayer, the media files will not load if the file names OR extension names are capitalized. It is not apparent when you look at the file name if the extension itself is written in upper or lower case; you can't see the extension name itself. But if you use an FTP program (such as WS_FTP Pro) to upload your files, you can then see the full file names with extension, and you can edit them to make the extension names lowercase. As a precaution, whenever I create my own media files (including animated GIF's), I always type in the extension name in lowercase as I am naming the file. Using the example above, I would type: dogbarking.wav rather than just dogbarking when I am naming the file. This overrides the default capitalization of extension names built into some applications. 2) Also: be aware that not all computers can access all types of media files. If you use external files, it is possible that a subset of your potential users (for instance, Mac users) may not be able to access the project at all (not just the media file) if you incorporate an external file into your project. I've had this experience but I don't remember if it occurs whenever an incompatible external file is included anywhere in the project or only when it is part of a startup procedure. 3) Finally: bear in mind that dial-up connections usually load files at the rate of around 4 kilobytes per second (that would be 240 kb per minute). If you have a project and related files requiring (let's say) 1 mb of file transfer, it would take a typical user roughly four minutes just to access your project. In the meantime, the page just hangs there, and most people decide there is something wrong and leave the site. So if you feel you *must* upload a huge project, please issue a cautionary note next to the link to that page, stating the total file size and warning that the project might take several minutes or longer to load. I always include screenshots of the project, too, so that the user can get a quick sense of the project environment before deciding if it is worth the time and trouble to view the project itself. Wendy Petti OWL's MicroWorlds in Action http://mia.openworldlearning.org Math Cats http://www.mathcats.com From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Wed Mar 24 14:19:55 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Locke Thomas (01M363)) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 09:19:55 -0500 Subject: [MWForum](no subject) Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C411AB.14AE5C09 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----Original Message----- From: mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com on behalf of Cathy's Mail Sent: Sat 3/20/2004 10:27 AM To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Cc:=09 Subject: [MWForum](no subject) =20 Hi. I am trying to create a virtual pet using Gary Stagers webpage: www.stager.org/articles/tamagotchi.html =20 HOUR is not working at all. There must be an HOUR going on in the background, but it has me stuck. I had to rename MESSAGE to MESSAGES. Why? Has anyone done this and can they help me? 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How come the www.microworlds.com home page says that there is a MW EX version available for both Windows and Mac OS X, and yet when I go to the order page, it says only the Windows version is available? -John John St. Clair Global SchoolNet Foundation john.stclair@verizon.net www.gsn.org Vina Danks Middle School LogoForum moderator Teacher of Logo and Lego groups.yahoo.com/group/logoforum From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Thu Mar 25 18:35:08 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Logo Computer Systems Inc.) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 13:35:08 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]MicroWorlds EX In-Reply-To: <33F04D70-7E1F-11D8-A52A-00039340E3F8@verizon.net> References: <33F04D70-7E1F-11D8-A52A-00039340E3F8@verizon.net> Message-ID: >This is a question for LCSI. How come the www.microworlds.com home >page says that there is a MW EX version available for both Windows >and Mac OS X, and yet when I go to the order page, it says only the >Windows version is available? > Hi John, the OS X/Windows version of MicroWorlds EX will begin shipping by the end of next week. To avoid having our customers only receive the Windows version, we haven't yet made the product available through our web site. However, you will be able to order through our site next week and please don't hesitate to call me to pre-order. Our first version (1.1) will be 10.2 compatible (you may experience some problems under 10.3) and will ship without an OS X WebPlayer. We hope to have the WebPlayer and a compatible 10.3 version available by this summer. Please don't hesitate to write me back with any other questions or comments. Shawn Jesty LCSI -- Logo Computer Systems Inc. 1 Westmount Square, Suite 300 Montreal,QC Canada H3Z 2P9 info@lcsi.ca www.lcsi.ca From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Thu Apr 1 21:33:27 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Logo Computer Systems Inc.) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 16:33:27 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]MicroWorlds EX In-Reply-To: References: <33F04D70-7E1F-11D8-A52A-00039340E3F8@verizon.net> Message-ID: I often have customers ask how they can use MicroWorlds 2.0's shapes in both Pro and EX. The following directions (for Mac or Win MicroWorlds) make it quick and easy: -create a new folder somewhere on your computer. -within MicroWorlds 2.0, save a project (anything) to your new folder. -run the following code from 2.0's command center, dotimes [i 64][saveshape word "shape sum 1 :i sum 1 :i -within MicroWorlds Pro/EX select IMPORT PICTURE from under the FILE menu and import the first picture (shape1.bmp) into MicroWorlds Pro. -run the following code from the Pro/EX command center: dotimes [i 64][loadshape word "shape sum 1 :i sum 1 :i -check Pro's/EX's GRAPHICS tab to be sure that you have all of the 2.0 shapes. -now you can save the project to use as a template for when you need 2.0 shapes. -these directions will also work for a 2.0 project that has added or modified shapes rather than the default shapes. Please let me know if you have any questions. Shawn -- Logo Computer Systems Inc. 1 Westmount Square, Suite 300 Montreal,QC Canada H3Z 2P9 info@lcsi.ca www.lcsi.ca From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Fri Apr 2 18:53:01 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Ask an Expert - Question) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 13:53:01 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]MIA, Ask an Expert Question Message-ID: <406D703D.1890.F8E855@localhost> This is an automatic message sent from the web form at: http://mia.openworldlearning.org/howdoi.htm from: "Jean Stringer" date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 11:17:34 -0700 This forum once taught me to take MWprojects from the internet by opening them in MW from the Netscape Cache. That worked fine until today. For some reason my old Netscape will not work it keeps giving me an error message so I downloaded 7.1 and I can't find the cache file to open the MW2 file. Does anyone know how I can open MW2 files from Netscape 7.1 Thank you for any help. Jean Stringer From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Sun Apr 4 03:33:37 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Ask an Expert - Question) Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 21:33:37 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]MIA, Ask an Expert Question Message-ID: <406F2DB1.25803.37A77@localhost> This is an automatic message sent from the web form at: http://mia.openworldlearning.org/howdoi.htm from: "Mike" date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 12:53:20 -0700 Is there a command to close Microworlds? From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Mon Apr 5 15:32:15 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Logo Computer Systems Inc.) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 10:32:15 -0400 Subject: [MWForum]MIA, Ask an Expert Question In-Reply-To: <406D703D.1890.F8E855@localhost> References: <406D703D.1890.F8E855@localhost> Message-ID: >This is an automatic message sent from the web form at: >http://mia.openworldlearning.org/howdoi.htm > >from: "Jean Stringer" >date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 11:17:34 -0700 > >This forum once taught me to take MWprojects from the >internet by opening them in MW from the Netscape Cache. >That worked fine until today. For some reason my old >Netscape will not work it keeps giving me an error message >so I downloaded 7.1 and I can't find the cache file to open >the MW2 file. > >Does anyone know how I can open MW2 files from Netscape 7.1 > Hi Jean, I used to do the same thing. It was a handy way of obtaining a copy of the project that you've just viewed with your Internet browser. Unfortunately, this doesn't seem to be possible when using Windows 2000/XP. Regards. Shawn -- Logo Computer Systems Inc. 1 Westmount Square, Suite 300 Montreal,QC Canada H3Z 2P9 info@lcsi.ca www.lcsi.ca From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Mon Apr 5 16:01:54 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Wendy Petti) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 11:01:54 -0400 Subject: [MWForum] retrieving MW files from cache In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It is possible to retrieve MW files from the cache of Temporary Internet Files when using Internet Explorer and Windows XP. I wrote to Jean offlist and determined that actually she uses IE more than Netscape anyhow. (And in any case, if MW lovers really want to retrieve online files, they can certainly use IE once in awhile even if they usually don't.) Here is the information on how to access the files with IE and XP: I open folders in the order below, and I make sure to set my folders so that I can view all hidden folders and files. (To do that, on the top menu of a folder, select Tools -> Folder Options -> click the "view" tab, then click the bullet next to "show hidden files and folders."): Start -> My Computer -> C: -> Documents and Settings -> the folder bearing your user name -> Local Settings [this folder might be hidden unless you've made all folders visible, and then it is lighter colored than typical folders] -> Temporary Internet Files The steps are a bit different for Windows 98 and other operating systems. As an alternative, you can also run a "find file" search on the word "Temporary" and then look through the list until you find the right folder. I suggest that however you find it, you place a shortcut to it on your desktop so it will be easier to access it next time you need it. Then you can sort the files in that folder by name or by type or my how recently accessed, etc. If you clear your cache while the folder is open, then revisit the project(s) you want, then refresh your view of the folder (on the menu bar select View -> Refresh), it might be easier to find the MW files if you can't find them otherwise. Wendy Petti MWForum moderator > >from: "Jean Stringer" > >date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 11:17:34 -0700 ... > >Does anyone know how I can open MW2 files from Netscape 7.1 > > > Hi Jean, > > I used to do the same thing. It was a handy way of obtaining a copy > of the project that you've just viewed with your Internet browser. > Unfortunately, this doesn't seem to be possible when using Windows > 2000/XP. > > Regards. > > Shawn From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Tue Apr 6 20:21:16 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Logo Computer Systems Inc.) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 15:21:16 -0400 Subject: [MWForum]MIA, Ask an Expert Question In-Reply-To: <406F2DB1.25803.37A77@localhost> References: <406F2DB1.25803.37A77@localhost> Message-ID: >This is an automatic message sent from the web form at: >http://mia.openworldlearning.org/howdoi.htm > >from: "Mike" >date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 12:53:20 -0700 > >Is there a command to close Microworlds? > Hi Mike, unfortunately, you can't quit out of MicroWorlds through program control. Regards. Shawn Jesty LCSI -- Logo Computer Systems Inc. 1 Westmount Square, Suite 300 Montreal,QC Canada H3Z 2P9 info@lcsi.ca www.lcsi.ca From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Tue Apr 6 21:02:15 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Steve Robson) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 20:02:15 +0000 Subject: [MWForum]MIA, Ask an Expert Question Message-ID:

You could run the project in a web page and use all the various get-outs that way. Don't know if that helps at all.

Regards

Steve



 

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>Is there a command to close Microworlds?
>
Hi Mike,
unfortunately, you can't quit out of MicroWorlds through program control.
Regards.
Shawn Jesty
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Get a free connection, half-price modem and one month FREE, when you sign up for BT Broadband today! From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Tue Apr 13 15:37:55 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Bob Irving) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 10:37:55 -0400 Subject: [MWForum]MicroWorlds EX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000301c42164$e87cb670$b05a0a0a@BOBIRVING> Got a question... My students are writing math games. Is there a good = way to ask multiple questions (say, 10) without having 10 buttons to launch = each new question? Bob Irving Lancaster Country Day School Lancaster, PA --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Tue Apr 13 16:22:50 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Susan van Gelder) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:22:50 -0400 Subject: [MWForum]MicroWorlds EX In-Reply-To: <000301c42164$e87cb670$b05a0a0a@BOBIRVING> References: <000301c42164$e87cb670$b05a0a0a@BOBIRVING> Message-ID: <6D0DE6E2-8D5E-11D8-B002-000A95C868C0@videotron.ca> You can have one button that starts the game. In it you would put the name of each procedure that asks a question to play ques1 ques2 ques3 end Then it will ask one question at a time. Susan On Apr 13, 2004, at 10:37 AM, Bob Irving wrote: > Got a question... My students are writing math games. Is there a > good way > to ask multiple questions (say, 10) without having 10 buttons to > launch each > new question? > > Bob Irving > Lancaster Country Day School > Lancaster, PA > > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > _______________________________________________ > MWForum mailing list > MWForum@lists.mathcats.com > http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum > Attachments archived at: > http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html > To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact > mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com > > *************************************************************** Susan van Gelder susanvg@mac.com From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Tue Apr 13 17:42:31 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Jerry Balzano) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 09:42:31 -0700 Subject: [MWForum]MicroWorlds EX In-Reply-To: <6D0DE6E2-8D5E-11D8-B002-000A95C868C0@videotron.ca> References: <000301c42164$e87cb670$b05a0a0a@BOBIRVING> <6D0DE6E2-8D5E-11D8-B002-000A95C868C0@videotron.ca> Message-ID: Bob - Another way to do this: Assume you have a procedure ASKQUES :N which asks a question depending on the value of the input it is called with. At the beginning of the game maybe have a procedure like TO STARTUP MAKE "Q 1 END Then the button's instruction could say ASKQUES :Q MAKE "Q :Q + 1 - Jerry Balzano (F&M alumnus) >You can have one button that starts the game. In it you would put >the name of each procedure that asks a question > >to play >ques1 >ques2 >ques3 >end > >Then it will ask one question at a time. > >Susan >On Apr 13, 2004, at 10:37 AM, Bob Irving wrote: > >>Got a question... My students are writing math games. Is there a good way >>to ask multiple questions (say, 10) without having 10 buttons to launch each >>new question? >> >>Bob Irving >>Lancaster Country Day School >>Lancaster, PA >> >> >>--- >>[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] >> >>_______________________________________________ >>MWForum mailing list >>MWForum@lists.mathcats.com >>http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum >>Attachments archived at: >>http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html >>To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact >>mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com >> >*************************************************************** >Susan van Gelder >susanvg@mac.com > >_______________________________________________ >MWForum mailing list >MWForum@lists.mathcats.com >http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum >Attachments archived at: >http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html >To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact >mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com -- ------------------------- Dr. Gerald J. Balzano Teacher Education Program Dept of Music Laboratory for Comparative Human Cognition Cognitive Science Program UC San Diego La Jolla, CA 92093 (858) 822-0092 gjbalzano@ucsd.edu From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Wed Apr 14 07:25:11 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Wendy Petti) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 02:25:11 -0400 Subject: [MWForum]MicroWorlds EX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: These are good ideas. It is also possible to create a math game which generates random questions and evaluates the answers. It is easiest to focus on one operation at a time, but then you can design a version of the game which chooses randomly from addition, subtraction, multiplication and division questions, or even a game in which it is possible to choose a difficulty level (how many digits, etc.). Here are procedures for a simple multiplication quiz game. (Mind you, I'm not promoting the idea of drill and practice math games! I don't know what kind of math games your students are developing. But this is a simple way to get started in game creation.) This game presents problems in question boxes and evaluates the answers. If the answer is correct, the score in the SCORE textbox increases by 1 and a little snake moves forward 20 pixels; otherwise the computer shows the answer in an announcement box, the snake moves back 20 pixels, and the score decreases by 1. For the game below you would need a "new_problem" button and a "new_game" button and there is no clear finish to the game. It would be fairly easy to improve on this game so that new questions appear automatically after the previous question is evaluated, until a specified number of questions have been asked. It would also be possible to announce how many points have been earned out of how many total questions asked (perhaps when the game ends). * * * * * to new_problem make "m1 random 11 make "m2 random 11 question (se :m1 "x :m2 "=) ifelse answer = :m1 * :m1 [setscore score + 1 fd 20] [show_answer bk 20 setscore score - 1] end to show_answer make "m1m2product :m1 * :m2 announce (se :m1 "x :m2 "= :m1m2product) end to new_game setscore 0 t1, setpos [-178 -6] end to startup new_game end Wendy Petti OWL's MicroWorlds in Action http://mia.openworldlearning.org Math Cats http://www.mathcats.com - - - - - > Another way to do this: > > Assume you have a procedure > ASKQUES :N > which asks a question depending on the value of the input it is > called with. > > At the beginning of the game maybe have a procedure like > TO STARTUP > MAKE "Q 1 > END > > Then the button's instruction could say > ASKQUES :Q MAKE "Q :Q + 1 > > - Jerry Balzano (F&M alumnus) > > >You can have one button that starts the game. In it you would put > >the name of each procedure that asks a question > > > >to play > >ques1 > >ques2 > >ques3 > >end > > > >Then it will ask one question at a time. > > > >Susan > >On Apr 13, 2004, at 10:37 AM, Bob Irving wrote: > > > >>Got a question... My students are writing math games. Is > there a good way > >>to ask multiple questions (say, 10) without having 10 buttons > to launch each new question? > From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Wed Apr 14 22:12:41 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Ask an Expert - Question) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:12:41 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]MIA, Ask an Expert Question Message-ID: <407D62F9.5201.4B74D9@localhost> This is an automatic message sent from the web form at: http://mia.openworldlearning.org/howdoi.htm from: "jayne" date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 9:29:13 -0600 to pickword make "picked pick :statement ifelse member? :picked :storage [pickword] [make "storage fput :picked :storage] if space full? 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The opening panel will focus on the topic =93The Challenges of Interaction Design and Children: What have we learned from our past?=94 =20= The panelists include Marvin Minsky, the Toshiba Professor of Media Arts and Sciences at MIT; Alan Kay, a Senior Fellow in Hewlett-Packard=92s HP Labs; and Seymour Papert, Professor of Education and Media Technology, Emeritus at MIT. The closing panel will feature veteran media professionals and researchers addressing the topic =93What Can Media Teach Us about Interaction Design and Children?=94 The panelists include Alice Cahn, Vice President of Development for The Cartoon Network; Henry Jenkins, Director of the Comparative Media Studies Program at MIT; and Alice Wilder, Director of Research for the popular children=92s television show =93Blue's Clues.=94 =93We have so much to learn about designing new technologies for children. By bringing together the founders and leaders of our field, we have the unprecedented opportunity to think deeply about what interaction design and children can mean for the future.=94 says Allison Druin, conference chair and professor at the University of Maryland=92s College of Information Studies and Institute for Advanced Computer Studies. In addition to the University of Maryland, sponsors for IDC2004 include, the Special Interest Group on Computer-Human Interaction (SIGCHI) of the Association for Computing Machinery, the National Science Foundation, the Institute of Museum and Library Services, Fisher-Price, and LeapFrog. The keynote panelists and conference organizers are available for interviews. To arrange an interview call Chris McCarthy at 301-314-2716. = --Apple-Mail-6-992891792-- From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Tue Apr 20 22:57:18 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Wendy Petti) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:57:18 -0400 Subject: [MWForum]building a movie recommending system Message-ID: Hi Folks, Vasant Dhar, a new member of the MWForum, would like our assistance. He had trouble posting his message to the list and has asked me to repost it. Since list-posting seems a bit unreliable, please also copy him on any replies (hit "reply all"). Thanks, Wendy -----Original Message----- From: Vasant Dhar [mailto:vasant.dhar@db.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 5:14 PM To: wpetti@mathcats.com Cc: vdhar@stern.nyu.edu; Vasant Dhar Subject: Microworlds Request from Yesterday Wendi, I sent my message to the list, bit it apparently didn't post. I got no responses, which I thought was odd. I called Sean at LCSI and he told me he didn't see anything. Maybe my subscription didn't work right (even though I received email conformation saying that it did). Could you PLEASE post my message to the list and ask people to reply to me at vdhar@stern.nyu.edu I'm getting a little desperate and need to know whether I should abandon trying this problem in this language. Thanks, Vasant Dhar Here's the request: I am trying to build a very simple recommender system for movies in Microworlds. It will work as follows: 1. System asks user to specify GENRE of interest, i.e. comedy, thriller, etc. 2. System searches through a table of past movies (HISTORICAL_MOVIES) corresponding to the specified GENRE. Call this subset SUBSET. 3. System presents user with SUBSET and asks which movies user liked (or it can ask for a ranking, which is preferable). Let's call this LIKED_SUBSET. 4. System matches attributes of LIKED_SUBSET with a table of CURRENT_MOVIES to determine SUGGESTED_SUBSET which consists of ranked movies. 5. If user is satisfies, quit, otherwise go to step 1. This is a pretty simple problem, easily solvable in BASIC. How do I do it in MW? The way I see it, it involves creating a tables of movies (historical and current), which should be sets of structured objects whose attribute-values can be accessed and matched. And the results should be assigned via some kind of assignment statement to variables etc. HELP!!!! Vasant Dhar Please reply to this address as well as vdhar@stern.nyu.edu From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Tue Apr 20 23:49:42 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Jeff Knope) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 15:49:42 -0700 Subject: [MWForum]movie recommender Message-ID: <000c01c42729$c6c506c0$2a7b5142@D5BKM721> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C426EF.189D55A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Vasant Dhar wrote: I am trying to build a very simple recommender system for movies in Microworlds. It will work as follows: 1. System asks user to specify GENRE of interest, i.e. comedy, thriller, etc. 2. System searches through a table of past movies (HISTORICAL_MOVIES) corresponding to the specified GENRE. Call this subset SUBSET. 3. System presents user with SUBSET and asks which movies user liked (or = it can ask for a ranking, which is preferable). Let's call this = LIKED_SUBSET. 4. System matches attributes of LIKED_SUBSET with a table of = CURRENT_MOVIES to determine SUGGESTED_SUBSET which consists of ranked movies. 5. If user is satisfies, quit, otherwise go to step 1. This is a pretty simple problem, easily solvable in BASIC. How do I do = it in MW? The way I see it, it involves creating a tables of movies = (historical and current), which should be sets of structured objects whose attribute-values can be accessed and matched. And the results should be assigned via some kind of assignment statement to variables etc. Dear Vasant, MicroWorlds uses a different data structure paradigm than BASIC. = MicroWorlds is a dialect of the artificial intelligence language LISP, = whose name is derived from exactly this difference. It stands for "LISt = Processing." The fundamental data structure is a list, not a table. Data = is evaluated by recursively examining the elements of a list.=20 A list may me a list of lists. This statement is the key to complexity = of data structure in MicroWorlds.=20 It takes a little practice to wrap your mind around this difference. It = takes quite a bit of practice to become facile with writing procedures = for building lists, and then writing other procedures for analyzing and = comparing them.=20 If you're in a hurry, you probably ought to just do it in BASIC. = Otherwise, your project makes a nearly ideal problem for learning list = processing. Perhaps other forum members can point you toward the best = materials for building skills to do this. Please believe me, these comments are more helpful than they may at = first sound. Good Luck, Jeff ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C426EF.189D55A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Vasant Dhar wrote:
 
I am trying to build a very simple recommender system for movies=20 in
Microworlds. It will work as follows:

1. System asks user = to=20 specify GENRE of interest, i.e. comedy, thriller,
etc.
2. System = searches=20 through a table of past movies (HISTORICAL_MOVIES)
corresponding to = the=20 specified GENRE. Call this subset SUBSET.
3. System presents user = with SUBSET=20 and asks which movies user liked (or it
can ask for a ranking, which = is=20 preferable). Let's call this LIKED_SUBSET.
4. System matches = attributes of=20 LIKED_SUBSET with a table of CURRENT_MOVIES
to determine = SUGGESTED_SUBSET=20 which consists of ranked movies.
5. If user is satisfies, quit, = otherwise go=20 to step 1.

This is a pretty simple problem, easily solvable in = BASIC. How=20 do I do it in
MW? The way I see it, it involves creating a tables of = movies=20 (historical
and current), which should be sets of structured objects=20 whose
attribute-values can be accessed and matched. And the results = should=20 be
assigned via some kind of assignment statement to variables=20 etc.

Dear=20 Vasant,
 
MicroWorlds uses a different data = structure=20 paradigm than BASIC. MicroWorlds is a dialect of the artificial = intelligence=20 language LISP, whose name is derived from exactly this=20 difference. It stands for "LISt Processing." The fundamental data = structure=20 is a list, not a table. Data is evaluated by recursively examining = the=20 elements of a list.
 
A list may me a list of lists. This=20 statement is the key to complexity of data structure in = MicroWorlds.=20
 
It takes a little practice to wrap your = mind around=20 this difference. It takes quite a bit of practice to become facile with = writing=20 procedures for building lists, and then writing other = procedures=20 for analyzing and comparing them.
 
If you're in a hurry, you probably = ought to just do=20 it in BASIC. Otherwise, your project makes a nearly ideal problem for = learning=20 list processing. Perhaps other forum members can point you toward the = best=20 materials for building skills to do this.
 
Please believe me, these comments are = more helpful=20 than they may at first sound.
 
Good Luck,
Jeff
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C426EF.189D55A0-- From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Wed Apr 21 01:43:24 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (mwforum@lists.mathcats.com) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 20:43:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [MWForum]movie recommender Message-ID: <200404210043.i3L0hOBE024331@kesari.stern.nyu.edu> Jeff, I've programmed extensively in Lisp, including my Ph.D thesis. My area of research is AI! I gather from your comments that there's no way to define a structured data type in MW? As in CLOS, for example? Vasant On Tue, Apr 20 2004 15:49:00 , Jeff Knope sent: > > > > > Atmail Takeout --> > > >Vasant Dhar wrote: > >I am trying to build a very simple recommender system for movies >in >Microworlds. It will work as follows: > >1. System asks user to >specify GENRE of interest, i.e. comedy, thriller, >etc. >2. System searches >through a table of past movies (HISTORICAL_MOVIES) >corresponding to the >specified GENRE. Call this subset SUBSET. >3. System presents user with SUBSET >and asks which movies user liked (or it >can ask for a ranking, which is >preferable). Let's call this LIKED_SUBSET. >4. System matches attributes of >LIKED_SUBSET with a table of CURRENT_MOVIES >to determine SUGGESTED_SUBSET >which consists of ranked movies. >5. If user is satisfies, quit, otherwise go >to step 1. > >This is a pretty simple problem, easily solvable in BASIC. How >do I do it in >MW? The way I see it, it involves creating a tables of movies >(historical >and current), which should be sets of structured objects >whose >attribute-values can be accessed and matched. And the results should >be >assigned via some kind of assignment statement to variables >etc. > > >Dear >Vasant, > >MicroWorlds uses a different data structure >paradigm than BASIC. MicroWorlds is a dialect of the artificial intelligence >language LISP, whose name is derived from exactly this >difference. It stands for "LISt Processing." The fundamental data structure >is a list, not a table. Data is evaluated by recursively examining the >elements of a list. > >A list may me a list of lists. This >statement is the key to complexity of data structure in MicroWorlds. > > >It takes a little practice to wrap your mind around >this difference. It takes quite a bit of practice to become facile with writing >procedures for building lists, and then writing other procedures >for analyzing and comparing them. > >If you're in a hurry, you probably ought to just do >it in BASIC. Otherwise, your project makes a nearly ideal problem for learning >list processing. Perhaps other forum members can point you toward the best >materials for building skills to do this. > >Please believe me, these comments are more helpful >than they may at first sound. > >Good Luck, >Jeff From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Wed Apr 21 02:25:49 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Jeff Knope) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:25:49 -0700 Subject: [MWForum]movie recommender References: <200404210043.i3L0hOBE024331@kesari.stern.nyu.edu> Message-ID: <000701c4273f$9638bc20$81455142@D5BKM721> Vasant - Well, I'm busted! I'm entirely self-taught in MicroWorlds (and other LOGOs), and other than some experience with AutoLISP, I know no other programming languages. If you use your knowledge of Lisp, you should have no trouble doing whatever you want in MicroWorlds. In more direct answer to your question, you use list structure (lists of lists of lists...) to define, or more accurately create, your data type. There is no prior declaration. At least, that's how I've figured out how to do it. -Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [MWForum]movie recommender > Jeff, I've programmed extensively in Lisp, including my Ph.D thesis. My area of > research is AI! > > I gather from your comments that there's no way to define a structured data type > in MW? As in CLOS, for example? > > Vasant > > On Tue, Apr 20 2004 15:49:00 , Jeff Knope sent: > > > > > > > > > > > Atmail Takeout --> > > > > > >Vasant Dhar wrote: > > > >I am trying to build a very simple recommender system for movies > >in > >Microworlds. It will work as follows: > > > >1. System asks user to > >specify GENRE of interest, i.e. comedy, thriller, > >etc. > >2. System searches > >through a table of past movies (HISTORICAL_MOVIES) > >corresponding to the > >specified GENRE. Call this subset SUBSET. > >3. System presents user with SUBSET > >and asks which movies user liked (or it > >can ask for a ranking, which is > >preferable). Let's call this LIKED_SUBSET. > >4. System matches attributes of > >LIKED_SUBSET with a table of CURRENT_MOVIES > >to determine SUGGESTED_SUBSET > >which consists of ranked movies. > >5. If user is satisfies, quit, otherwise go > >to step 1. > > > >This is a pretty simple problem, easily solvable in BASIC. How > >do I do it in > >MW? The way I see it, it involves creating a tables of movies > >(historical > >and current), which should be sets of structured objects > >whose > >attribute-values can be accessed and matched. And the results should > >be > >assigned via some kind of assignment statement to variables > >etc. > > > > > >Dear > >Vasant, > > > >MicroWorlds uses a different data structure > >paradigm than BASIC. MicroWorlds is a dialect of the artificial intelligence > >language LISP, whose name is derived from exactly this > >difference. It stands for "LISt Processing." The fundamental data structure > >is a list, not a table. Data is evaluated by recursively examining the > >elements of a list. > > > >A list may me a list of lists. This > >statement is the key to complexity of data structure in MicroWorlds. > > > > > >It takes a little practice to wrap your mind around > >this difference. It takes quite a bit of practice to become facile with writing > >procedures for building lists, and then writing other procedures > >for analyzing and comparing them. > > > >If you're in a hurry, you probably ought to just do > >it in BASIC. Otherwise, your project makes a nearly ideal problem for learning > >list processing. Perhaps other forum members can point you toward the best > >materials for building skills to do this. > > > >Please believe me, these comments are more helpful > >than they may at first sound. > > > >Good Luck, > >Jeff > > > > _______________________________________________ > MWForum mailing list > MWForum@lists.mathcats.com > http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum > Attachments archived at: > http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html > To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact > mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com > > From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Wed Apr 21 04:40:48 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Daniel Ajoy) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 22:40:48 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]building a movie recommending system In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4085A6F0.6159.2BF063@localhost> --Message-Boundary-9270 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Hi Vasant Dhar. The attached project could be a start. Daniel OpenWorld Learning PS. My method is similar to how things are done in Rexx (rexx programmers use "compound variable names" that have "stems") On 20 Apr 2004 at 17:57, Wendy Petti wrote: > I'm getting a little desperate and need to know whether I should abandon > trying this problem > in this language. > > Thanks, > > Vasant Dhar > > Here's the request: > > I am trying to build a very simple recommender system for movies in > Microworlds. It will work as follows: > > 1. System asks user to specify GENRE of interest, i.e. comedy, thriller, > etc. > 2. System searches through a table of past movies (HISTORICAL_MOVIES) > corresponding to the specified GENRE. Call this subset SUBSET. > 3. System presents user with SUBSET and asks which movies user liked (or it > can ask for a ranking, which is preferable). Let's call this LIKED_SUBSET. > 4. System matches attributes of LIKED_SUBSET with a table of CURRENT_MOVIES > to determine SUGGESTED_SUBSET which consists of ranked movies. > 5. If user is satisfies, quit, otherwise go to step 1. > > This is a pretty simple problem, easily solvable in BASIC. How do I do it in > MW? The way I see it, it involves creating a tables of movies (historical > and current), which should be sets of structured objects whose > attribute-values can be accessed and matched. 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2004 07:09:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [MWForum]Finding Files in IE and XP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040427140945.99306.qmail@web20724.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1234154896-1083074985=:95949 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I can find them but I can't open the projects. I can find them from your directions but when I click on the file to open it....I receive an unsafe message. I say yes and it opens another webpage for math cats but is blank. In the past I just went to Used MicroWorlds went to my cache and then opened a project from the cache. When I try to do this from MW now I can't even find temp files as an option from the open files menu. So I am not able to access any internet projects unless they allow them to be downloaded. Thanks for you help, and thanks most of your projects are downloadable. Jean --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs --0-1234154896-1083074985=:95949 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I can find them but I can't open the projects.  I can find them from your directions but when I click on the file to open it....I receive an unsafe message.  I say yes and it opens another webpage for math cats but is blank.  
 
In the past I just went to Used MicroWorlds went to my cache and then opened a  project from the cache. 
 
When I try to do this from MW now I can't even find temp files as an option from the open files menu. 
 
So I am not able to access any internet projects  unless they allow them to be downloaded.
 
Thanks for you help, and thanks most of your projects are downloadable.
 
                Jean

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Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs --0-1234154896-1083074985=:95949-- From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Tue Apr 27 14:52:04 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Jean Stringer) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 06:52:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [MWForum]MicroWorlds EX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040427135204.35974.qmail@web20730.mail.yahoo.com> --0-105797051-1083073924=:35513 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Is this game one of your Math Cat games? If yes, which one? I really love all you do to share all your projects. How did you make the blackboard? I really like that. I have only viewed your Logo part of your Math Cats in the past....your blackboard is awesome! Jean Wendy Petti wrote: These are good ideas. It is also possible to create a math game which generates random questions and evaluates the answers. It is easiest to focus on one operation at a time, but then you can design a version of the game which chooses randomly from addition, subtraction, multiplication and division questions, or even a game in which it is possible to choose a difficulty level (how many digits, etc.). Here are procedures for a simple multiplication quiz game. (Mind you, I'm not promoting the idea of drill and practice math games! I don't know what kind of math games your students are developing. But this is a simple way to get started in game creation.) This game presents problems in question boxes and evaluates the answers. If the answer is correct, the score in the SCORE textbox increases by 1 and a little snake moves forward 20 pixels; otherwise the computer shows the answer in an announcement box, the snake moves back 20 pixels, and the score decreases by 1. For the game below you would need a "new_problem" button and a "new_game" button and there is no clear finish to the game. It would be fairly easy to improve on this game so that new questions appear automatically after the previous question is evaluated, until a specified number of questions have been asked. It would also be possible to announce how many points have been earned out of how many total questions asked (perhaps when the game ends). * * * * * to new_problem make "m1 random 11 make "m2 random 11 question (se :m1 "x :m2 "=) ifelse answer = :m1 * :m1 [setscore score + 1 fd 20] [show_answer bk 20 setscore score - 1] end to show_answer make "m1m2product :m1 * :m2 announce (se :m1 "x :m2 "= :m1m2product) end to new_game setscore 0 t1, setpos [-178 -6] end to startup new_game end Wendy Petti OWL's MicroWorlds in Action http://mia.openworldlearning.org Math Cats http://www.mathcats.com - - - - - > Another way to do this: > > Assume you have a procedure > ASKQUES :N > which asks a question depending on the value of the input it is > called with. > > At the beginning of the game maybe have a procedure like > TO STARTUP > MAKE "Q 1 > END > > Then the button's instruction could say > ASKQUES :Q MAKE "Q :Q + 1 > > - Jerry Balzano (F&M alumnus) > > >You can have one button that starts the game. In it you would put > >the name of each procedure that asks a question > > > >to play > >ques1 > >ques2 > >ques3 > >end > > > >Then it will ask one question at a time. > > > >Susan > >On Apr 13, 2004, at 10:37 AM, Bob Irving wrote: > > > >>Got a question... My students are writing math games. Is > there a good way > >>to ask multiple questions (say, 10) without having 10 buttons > to launch each new question? > _______________________________________________ MWForum mailing list MWForum@lists.mathcats.com http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum Attachments archived at: http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs --0-105797051-1083073924=:35513 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Is this game one of your Math Cat games? If yes, which one?   I really love all you do to share all your projects.
 
How did you make the blackboard?  I really like that.  I have only viewed your Logo part of your Math Cats in the past....your blackboard is awesome!
 
                               Jean

Wendy Petti <wpetti@mathcats.com> wrote:
These are good ideas. It is also possible to create a math game which
generates random questions and evaluates the answers. It is easiest to
focus on one operation at a time, but then you can design a version of the
game which chooses randomly from addition, subtraction, multiplication and
division questions, or even a game in which it is possible to choose a
difficulty level (how many digits, etc.).

Here are procedures for a simple multiplication quiz game. (Mind you, I'm
not promoting the idea of drill and practice math games! I don't know what
kind of math games your students are developing. But this is a simple way
to get started in game creation.)

This game presents problems in question boxes and evaluates the answers. If
the answer is correct, the score in the SCORE textbox increases by 1 and a
little snake moves forward 20 pixels; otherwise the computer shows the
answer in an announcement box, the snake moves back 20 pixels, and the score
decreases by 1. For the game below you would need a "new_problem" button
and a "new_game" button and there is no clear finish to the game. It would
be fairly easy to improve on this game so that new questions appear
automatically after the previous question is evaluated, until a specified
number of questions have been asked. It would also be possible to announce
how many points have been earned out of how many total questions asked
(perhaps when the game ends).

* * * * *

to new_problem
make "m1 random 11
make "m2 random 11
question (se :m1 "x :m2 "=)
ifelse answer = :m1 * :m1 [setscore score + 1 fd 20] [show_answer bk 20
setscore score - 1]
end


to show_answer
make "m1m2product :m1 * :m2
announce (se :m1 "x :m2 "= :m1m2product)
end


to new_game
setscore 0
t1, setpos [-178 -6]
end

to startup
new_game
end

Wendy Petti
OWL's MicroWorlds in Action
http://mia.openworldlearning.org
Math Cats
http://www.mathcats.com

- - - - -

> Another way to do this:
>
> Assume you have a procedure
> ASKQUES :N
> which asks a question depending on the value of the input it is
> called with.
>
> At the beginning of the game maybe have a procedure like
> TO STARTUP
> MAKE "Q 1
> END
>
> Then the button's instruction could say
> ASKQUES :Q MAKE "Q :Q + 1
>
> - Jerry Balzano (F&M alumnus)
>
> >You can have one button that starts the game. In it you would put
> >the name of each procedure that asks a question
> >
> >to play
> >ques1
> >ques2
> >ques3
> >end
> >
> >Then it will ask one question at a time.
> >
> >Susan
> >On Apr 13, 2004, at 10:37 AM, Bob Irving wrote:
> >
> >>Got a question... My students are writing math games. Is
> there a good way
> >>to ask multiple questions (say, 10) without having 10 buttons
> to launch each new question?
>


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Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs --0-105797051-1083073924=:35513-- From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Tue Apr 27 15:44:58 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Wendy Petti) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:44:58 -0400 Subject: [MWForum]Finding Files in IE and XP In-Reply-To: <20040427140945.99306.qmail@web20724.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C42C44.AF998A50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jean, First of all, you should not try to open projects from within the cache of Temporary Internet Files. If you drag the file to another folder that you've set up for this purpose, outside of the usually-hidden system folders, then it might open correctly without an unsafe message. I'm attaching a copy of the math quiz game - this one happens to be for multiplication only. I coached my young daughter on making it while I was driving on a trip and she was using a laptop in the back seat. It is possible to make a version for which the user would select the operation first and even the difficulty level. I've had games like that in the past but have not posted them on Math Cats because I do not like drill and practice quiz games; I prefer open-ended explorations. The magic chalkboard is done with Java, not MicroWorlds. Wendy -----Original Message----- From: mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com [mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com]On Behalf Of Jean Stringer Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 10:10 AM To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Subject: [MWForum]Finding Files in IE and XP I can find them but I can't open the projects. I can find them from your directions but when I click on the file to open it....I receive an unsafe message. I say yes and it opens another webpage for math cats but is blank. In the past I just went to Used MicroWorlds went to my cache and then opened a project from the cache. When I try to do this from MW now I can't even find temp files as an option from the open files menu. So I am not able to access any internet projects unless they allow them to be downloaded. Thanks for you help, and thanks most of your projects are downloadable. Jean Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! 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surprised by the deafening silence. This same subject came up in the forum about three months ago, and generated a few responses at that time. Personally, I don't know madlibs from adlibs. But I can pass along an answer offered by Harvey Bornfield. As you'll see, Harvey likes to swoop around a subject for a bit, before he nails it. But that's okay. I suggest you be sure to use the Help system to look up the details of using the primitives that he discusses. Okay. Heeeeeeere's Harvey!: This is a wonderful project, especially as conceived with user input from the children. I want to creatively visualize some of the challenges in grounding such a project in actual code. I'll postpone sharing the literal programming code for a short while, but attempt to touch down on the sequence of chores and adventures in such a way as puts spin and leaven on the enterprise, and yet reveals some of the logo commands necessary to put the project together. To do Madlibs justice, on the level of allowing children to feed the program with original contributions, one first envisions an archive of stories, named in 'hybrid_titled" files, files that could be stored and retrieved utilizing "loadtext . Using the files command, an inventory of current offerings in a single directory, can first present to the user choices. You could author a 'splash' page, in which these files could be turned into the titles of buttons, which when clicked would summon the file onscreen. You'll name a textbox to receive, that is, to display whatever textfile is chosen, perhaps something named "Storyline"; you'll be feeding the user-selected into Storyline. Which may be showing or hidden. The story has to be typed in such a way that it's possible to distinguish which words to retrieve, that is, words "earmarked" for user input. A decision might be made to embed those words formatted in a say to distinguish them from the inert components of the tale. for example, I have fooled around with this: In a of the year a set off with , his trusty sidekick . The words in blue are, as Tolkein might say, "destined to become, each and every one, the sprawling title of a noble textbox" to accept user-input. One wants to automate this with loops, which creates epic challenges to new programmers. So a description of how this comes about in English is valuable to confronting and comprehending the mechanics at a later time. So there follows developing routines to scan the "Storyline" textbox, and 'tweeze out' those . One of the very interesting and sophisticated features of Microworlds, is that analyzing the "lines" in a textbox requires knowledge of applying commands and reporters like TEXTITEM and TEXTCOUNT, commands peculiar to dealing only with the contents of a textbox. Each textitem, referred to in MW code as as TEXTITEM 1 "storyline, TEXTITEM 2 "storyline, etc, is a collection of one or more sentences which seem glued together and which end when a carraige return (the Enter Key) is encountered. Carraige returns separate these typically multi-sentence lines which keep their identity as part of a single textitem even when a textbox window is resized. Magically convenient from a graphics standpoint. But we have to find a way to take our mental scalpel and slicing textitems apart, be able to look at individual words embedded within a textitem; here is where you encounter the PARSE command, which, (when you're dealing with texts - it has other uses also), chops a textitem into a list of component words. This is an essential tool. So first you must convert textitems into lists, (for now, consider them collections of words), lists which are manipulated through the use of commands like COUNT and ITEM 1, ITEM 2, FIRST, LAST, etc. So, this is gear-shifting, a bit tedious, but essential, and it is the PARSE command which bridges us across the gulf of how textfiles are organized and analyzed, into lists. Now you get to continue the exciting adventure. But first! INTERMISSION: Peanuts, Popcorn, Ice-cream, Sprint no more, kneel and Exhale. Think velour, rotating snowflakes, rainbow zebras, zephyrs, awestruck, motionless hummingbirds, the original biological hovercrafts, and seagulls, balsa-less gliders that silently float at two miles an hour while meditating. So? Where were we? You determine how many pieces of information are in that parsed textitem utilizing the COUNT reporter, and with bravura, you sweep (looping commands like: REPEAT, DOTIMES, DOLIST), soaring elegantly through every word in each list that was once a textitem of a file, asking each word, as it were: "Are you one of those guys like , and ?, delimited by "< and >" If so, you get to have your own textbox, named exactly like the word, and of perfect size for entering the user input. Now, to make life more challenging, If you're asking the madlib player to enter parts of speech, it is almost entirely impossible that the input textbox titles will not require duplication. This MW won't let you do at least on the same page, so then you have to learn to "Weld" numbers like "01, "02, etc off the end of the part of speech, ending up with input text boxes which look like VERB_01, VERB_02. This is a matter that would take us a little far afield for today. Not having a life, this is what people like me love to do. :-) Next task: Once you've identified the names for the collection of user-input textboxes that you're going to let your programming skill spawn for you using the "NEWTEXT" command inside a loop, you need a game plan to spray the boxes out on the screen. So you creatively visualize how many textboxes would be a maximum, and call up your CRT Visual Handyman or Feng Shui consultant to landscape your monitor in symmetrical, uncluttered ways. Do you want the original story, with the replaced by underscores "______". Do you even want it to be visible while the end-user is busy spicing it up? Do you need to have all the text windows present on screen, or do you want to present them in randomized debuts, one at a time? When the story is done, do you want to print it? Finally, the Madlibs has all the components for a fill in the blanks or a matching test. It would be possible to add programming code to grade performance, and store the grades in a teacher-accessible file. And for a variation, turtles might replace words, as visual clues. Multiple Intelligence is an inspiration. I will leave these ideas with you all. I have already written the code which reads up the Storyline textbox (but not yet loaded it from an external file), and which can generate a textbox, appropriately named for every "< delimited word. But it does not yet work whan are presented, and it steals commas off the end of words. When these chores are solved, I'll share the project (in MW 2.05) These are my own approaches to Madlib. Anyone who wants to take the vision in another direction, should describe the course of the game, and what will present itself on the screen. Then we can have ammo for collaboration, and may succeed at sharing and expanding, or downsizing an epic idea and so making doable, this, as a prelude for figuring out how we might be able to delegate the creation of and sharing of code in the future. But in the last analysis, the perfection of the brainstorming, and the focusing of it into the action sequences is everything. Next to that, writing code is truly almost trivial. Best regards, Harvey Bornfield www.mythologics.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ask an Expert - Question" To: Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 6:58 PM Subject: [MWForum]MIA, Ask an Expert Question > This is an automatic message sent from the web form at: > http://mia.openworldlearning.org/howdoi.htm > > from: "jolene" > date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 15:38:15 -0700 > > I want to create a mad libs type program. I want to ask for > types of words and have the program remember them. Then put > all words used into a story. I am taking a masters class > on microworlds and think this would be a fun project, I > just don't know how to do what I am invisioning. Thanks in > advance! > > _______________________________________________ > MWForum mailing list > MWForum@lists.mathcats.com > http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum > Attachments archived at: > http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html > To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact > mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com > > From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Fri Jan 2 00:52:04 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Ask an Expert - Question) Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 19:52:04 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]Re: MIA, Ask an Expert Question Message-ID: <3FF47A64.27556.53E56@localhost>
On 1 Jan 2004 at 12:46, askanexpert@openworldlearning.org wrote:

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> Brief Note on LOGO Commands :
> DRAW, FD, RT, LT, CS, HOME

Maybe this can help you:

http://mia.openworldlearning.org/voctable.htm

Daniel
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From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Mon Jan 5 20:51:57 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Ask an Expert - Question) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 15:51:57 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]MIA, Ask an Expert Question Message-ID: <3FF9881D.15965.8BA5F@localhost> This is an automatic message sent from the web form at: http://mia.openworldlearning.org/howdoi.htm from: "Jennifer Harrison" date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 9:52:51 -0700 We're trying to build a pyramid game (solitaire). We have a sample Klondike game to go from, but we can't figure out how to do the All Shuffle, or to set the cards so that a total of 13 will eliminate the pair of cards from the stack. Please help. :-) Jennifer Harrison and students. Roy Public Schools Roy, MT http://www.midrivers.com/~pirates From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Mon Jan 5 18:08:01 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Ask an Expert - Question) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 13:08:01 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]MIA, Ask an Expert Question Message-ID: <3FF961B1.4068.12914D@localhost> This is an automatic message sent from the web form at: http://mia.openworldlearning.org/howdoi.htm from: "Jennifer Harrison" date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 9:52:51 -0700 We're trying to build a pyramid game (solitaire). We have a sample Klondike game to go from, but we can't figure out how to do the All Shuffle, or to set the cards so that a total of 13 will eliminate the pair of cards from the stack. Please help. :-) Jennifer Harrison and students. Roy Public Schools Roy, MT http://www.midrivers.com/~pirates From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Mon Jan 12 10:11:22 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (mbajic) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:11:22 +1100 Subject: [MWForum]MIA, Ask an Expert Question Message-ID: <2115cf20b1f6.20b1f62115cf@email.bigpond.com> Dear All, I am reading a book called "Microworlds Hypermedia Project Development and Logo Scripting". I want to write a procedure from the book using Microworlds Pro but a command (turtletype) does not work on my Microworlds Pro version. Could you please tell me a substitute command for turtletype which is used in Microworlds Pro. The procedure is: to draw.label turtletype "[For Sale!!] repeat 9 [fd 10] end Regards, Marko Bajic, Australia ---------------- Powered by telstra.com From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Mon Jan 12 16:49:54 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Daniel Ajoy) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:49:54 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]Re: turtletype In-Reply-To: <2115cf20b1f6.20b1f62115cf@email.bigpond.com> Message-ID: <400289E2.26749.E1327D@localhost> --Message-Boundary-25039 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Hi Marko, to startup cg repeat 10 [turtletype [For Sale!!] fd 20] end to turtletype :text newtext "reservedname pos [200 30] opaque "reservedname ct insert :text transparent "reservedname stamptext "reservedname remove "reservedname end Project Attached. Daniel OpenWorld Learning On 12 Jan 2004 at 21:11, mbajic wrote: > Dear All, > I am reading a book called "Microworlds Hypermedia Project Development and Logo Scripting". > I want to write a procedure from the book using Microworlds Pro but a command (turtletype) does not > work on my Microworlds Pro version. Could you please tell me a substitute command for turtletype > which is used in Microworlds Pro. 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MQ0AAABzaGFwZWluADATAAAAaGF2ZS1saXN0AFtoYXNdDQAAAGNvbG9yaW4AOQ== --Message-Boundary-25039-- From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Tue Feb 3 14:17:42 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Daniel Ajoy) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 09:17:42 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]Re: Question about Logo please? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <401F6736.20127.42B564@localhost> On 3 Feb 2004 at 12:03, stephane norte wrote: > Hello, I need some help with vocabulary in microworlds pro. > Can you help me please. My problem is: > I want in Microworlds Pro, to interact > with Windows commands, nor to get the date or time directly. This is possible??Thank you very much. > stephane_norte@hotmail.com > Hi Stephane, I think the only way is to use dll (Dynamic Link Libraries) access Daniel OpenWorld Learning From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Tue Feb 3 15:59:50 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Chris Myers) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 08:59:50 -0700 Subject: [MWForum]Re: Question about Logo please? In-Reply-To: <401F6736.20127.42B564@localhost> Message-ID: <000501c3ea6e$c22df600$0201a8c0@openworld.local> Daniel, Do you think she will know what these are? You might say, "let me know if this helps?" -Chris Christopher Myers Founder and Executive Director OpenWorld Learning (OWL) 303-744-8495 www.openworldlearning.org > -----Original Message----- > From: mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com [mailto:mwforum- > admin@lists.mathcats.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Ajoy > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 7:18 AM > To: stephane norte; info@lcsi.ca; mwforum@lists.mathcats.com > Subject: [MWForum]Re: Question about Logo please? > > On 3 Feb 2004 at 12:03, stephane norte wrote: > > > Hello, I need some help with vocabulary in microworlds pro. > > Can you help me please. My problem is: > > I want in Microworlds Pro, to interact > > with Windows commands, nor to get the date or time directly. This is > possible??Thank you very much. > > stephane_norte@hotmail.com > > > > Hi Stephane, > > I think the only way is to use dll (Dynamic Link Libraries) access > > Daniel > OpenWorld Learning > > _______________________________________________ > MWForum mailing list > MWForum@lists.mathcats.com > http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum > Attachments archived at: > http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html > To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact > mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Tue Feb 3 16:49:58 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Daniel Ajoy) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 11:49:58 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]Re: Question about Logo please? Message-ID: <401F8AE6.233.CE2119@localhost> On 3 Feb 2004 at 9:15, "stephane norte" Hi Stephane, > > I think the only way is to use dll (Dynamic Link Libraries) access > > Daniel > OpenWorld Learning It's me again :) You can find more information about DLLs in the Help of Microworlds Pro. Help / MicroWorlds Help Topics... / Appendices / the Serial Port and Dynamic Link Libraries / Dynamic Link Libraries but that doesn't really help much in terms of learning which windows dll you should call to get access to the system's date and time... maybe shell32.dll and the function ShellExecuteA Daniel OpenWorld Learning From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Sun Feb 8 16:01:21 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Daniel Ajoy) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 11:01:21 -0500 Subject: [MWForum](Fwd) Re: Question about Logo programming please? Message-ID: <40261701.15416.181E6A@localhost> ------- Forwarded message follows ------- From: "stephane norte" To: dajoy@openworldlearning.org BCC to: Subject: Re: Question about Logo programming please? Date sent: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 15:26:46 +0000 Hi, I need a command for microworlds pro to give me the real time and date. I am doing a program in logo with microworlds pro and i need a command or vocabulary to give me the real time and date. Is not a windows command is a command in logo to give me the date and time (hours). ------- End of forwarded message ------- From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Sun Feb 8 17:23:27 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Karen Randall) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 11:23:27 -0600 Subject: [MWForum]random numbers, filling In-Reply-To: <40261701.15416.181E6A@localhost> References: <40261701.15416.181E6A@localhost> Message-ID: --============_-1135861486==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Greetings, Would one of you be kind enough to comment on our class conclusions about a couple small programming problems? Is there a more elegant way around them? 1. The kids want to have random number inputs to setting turtle coordinate locations. We've been able to do this using setx and sety separately, but not setpos followed by something such as [random 20 random 20]. Is this correct? Can you help us understand why one works but not the other? 2. When trying to fill shapes, we're adding the extra commands to get the turtle inside the shape and off the line it drew getting there so the fill command works, and then sometimes there is still something not cooperating. Lifting the pen before moving the turtle inside the shape helps a little, but is there an easier way to get solid color shapes (via the turtle and not the graphics tools)? Thanks! ps. I wrote a bit ago asking for resource leads for integrating intermediate level Logo into my math class. I'm finding Mathematics and Logo by Kathleen Martin and Donna Bearden (1985) very helpful for the geometry part. --============_-1135861486==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" random numbers, filling
Greetings,

Would one of you be kind enough to comment on our class conclusions about a couple small programming problems?  Is there a more elegant way around them?

1. The kids want to have random number inputs to setting turtle coordinate locations.  We've been able to do this using setx and sety separately, but not setpos followed by something such as [random 20 random 20].  Is this correct?  Can you help us understand why one works but not the other?

2.  When trying to fill shapes, we're adding the extra commands to get the turtle inside the shape and off the line it drew getting there so the fill command works, and then sometimes there is still something not cooperating.  Lifting the pen before moving the turtle inside the shape helps a little, but is there an easier way to get solid color shapes (via the turtle and not the graphics tools)?

Thanks!

ps.  I wrote a bit ago asking for resource leads for integrating intermediate level Logo into my math class.  I'm finding Mathematics and Logo by Kathleen Martin and Donna Bearden (1985) very helpful for the geometry part. 
--============_-1135861486==_ma============-- From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Sun Feb 8 21:44:01 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Daniel Ajoy) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:44:01 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]random numbers, filling In-Reply-To: References: <40261701.15416.181E6A@localhost> Message-ID: <40266751.18560.189022@localhost> On 8 Feb 2004 at 11:23, Karen Randall wrote: > Greetings, Hi Karen, > Would one of you be kind enough to comment on our class conclusions > about a couple small programming problems? Is there a more elegant > way around them? > > 1. The kids want to have random number inputs to setting turtle > coordinate locations. We've been able to do this using setx and sety > separately, but not setpos followed by something such as [random 20 > random 20]. Is this correct? Can you help us understand why one > works but not the other? That is because [random 20 random 20] is a list with four items: one word (random), one number (20), one word and one number. show first [random 20 random 20] random show item 1 [random 20 random 20] random show item 2 [random 20 random 20] 20 show item 3 [random 20 random 20] random show item 4 [random 20 random 20] 20 What you need is a list of two numbers, like: show list random 20 random 20 1 17 show list random 20 random 20 3 19 show list random 20 random 20 18 14 "random 20" is a number "random 20" is a another number "list" takes both numbers and makes a list with them > 2. When trying to fill shapes, we're adding the extra commands to > get the turtle inside the shape and off the line it drew getting > there so the fill command works, and then sometimes there is still > something not cooperating. Lifting the pen before moving the turtle > inside the shape helps a little, but is there an easier way to get > solid color shapes (via the turtle and not the graphics tools)? Here is a general procedure to draw a filled square, everything cooperates: to square :side :color setc :color repeat 4 [fd :side rt 90] pu rt 45 fd :side fill bk :side rt 45 pd end Daniel OpenWorld Learning From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Mon Feb 9 16:33:01 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Wendy Petti) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 11:33:01 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]RE: random numbers with setpos In-Reply-To: <40266751.18560.189022@localhost> Message-ID: I'd like to add on to Daniel's information about using setpos with random numbers. This had confused me too for a long time too, until I got some help beyond the MW help menus, because for years I had only seen setpos used with brackets. But in fact all of these alternatives work: * * * Example 1: setpos random 200 random 200 (This command would only place the turtle in the upper right quadrant.) * * * Example 2: setpos -250 + random 500 setpos -150 + random 300 (This command would place the turtle anywhere on a project of size 500 x 300.) Example 3: setpos (se -250 + random 500 -150 + random 300) (This command does *exactly* the same thing as Example 2, using se (sentence) instead of list. Note that when when more than 2 inputs are being combined using SE, then the SE command and its inputs need to be enclosed in parentheses.) * * * Example 4: Below is a complex example using a cluster of turtles to follow a turtle named brad and another cluster of turtles to follow a turtle named kyle. (The two procedures below were part of a complex project in which two basketball players were being moved by two players using key commands. These turtle clusters were hidden; their purpose was to guide a visible basketball moving up and down so that when Kyle or Brad was facing to the left, the basketball would be dribbling up and down on the left side of the player, and when Kyle or Brad was facing to the right, the basketball would dribble on the right side of the player; meanwhile the player shape was changing to move the arms and legs in a dribbling fashion. Other procedures not posted below were involved in steering the players with the keys, moving the basketball up and down, etc.) I include this example because it demonstrates how the SETPOS and LIST commands can be combined with other commands involving brackets and parentheses... the RANDOM command is not involved in this example, but it could be incorporated after the + and - signs if that served a useful purpose for you. to followbrad t1, setpos list (ask "brad [xcor]) + 35 (ask "brad [ycor]) + 10 t2, setpos list (ask "brad [xcor]) + 35 (ask "brad [ycor]) - 60 t3, setpos list (ask "brad [xcor]) - 35 (ask "brad [ycor]) + 10 t4, setpos list (ask "brad [xcor]) - 35 (ask "brad [ycor]) - 60 end to followkyle k1, setpos list (ask "kyle [xcor]) + 35 (ask "kyle [ycor]) + 10 k2, setpos list (ask "kyle [xcor]) + 35 (ask "kyle [ycor]) - 60 k3, setpos list (ask "kyle [xcor]) - 35 (ask "kyle [ycor]) + 10 k4, setpos list (ask "kyle [xcor]) - 35 (ask "kyle [ycor]) - 60 end * * * Wendy Petti MicroWorlds in Action http://mia.openworldlearning.org > -----Original Message----- > From: mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com > [mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com]On Behalf Of Daniel Ajoy > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 4:44 PM > To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com > Subject: Re: [MWForum]random numbers, filling > > > On 8 Feb 2004 at 11:23, Karen Randall wrote: > > > Greetings, > > Hi Karen, > > > > Would one of you be kind enough to comment on our class conclusions > > about a couple small programming problems? Is there a more elegant > > way around them? > > > > 1. The kids want to have random number inputs to setting turtle > > coordinate locations. We've been able to do this using setx and sety > > separately, but not setpos followed by something such as [random 20 > > random 20]. Is this correct? Can you help us understand why one > > works but not the other? > > That is because [random 20 random 20] is a list with four items: one > word (random), one number (20), one word and one number. > > show first [random 20 random 20] > random > > show item 1 [random 20 random 20] > random > > show item 2 [random 20 random 20] > 20 > > show item 3 [random 20 random 20] > random > > show item 4 [random 20 random 20] > 20 > > What you need is a list of two numbers, like: > > show list random 20 random 20 > 1 17 > > show list random 20 random 20 > 3 19 > > show list random 20 random 20 > 18 14 > > "random 20" is a number > "random 20" is a another number > "list" takes both numbers and makes a list with them > > > > 2. When trying to fill shapes, we're adding the extra commands to > > get the turtle inside the shape and off the line it drew getting > > there so the fill command works, and then sometimes there is still > > something not cooperating. Lifting the pen before moving the turtle > > inside the shape helps a little, but is there an easier way to get > > solid color shapes (via the turtle and not the graphics tools)? > > Here is a general procedure to draw a filled square, > everything cooperates: > > to square :side :color > setc :color > repeat 4 [fd :side rt 90] > pu rt 45 fd :side fill bk :side rt 45 pd > end > > > Daniel > OpenWorld Learning > > _______________________________________________ > MWForum mailing list > MWForum@lists.mathcats.com > http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum > Attachments archived at: > http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html > To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact > mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com > From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Mon Feb 9 17:39:18 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Daniel Ajoy) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 12:39:18 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]RE: random numbers with setpos In-Reply-To: References: <40266751.18560.189022@localhost> Message-ID: <40277F76.16735.101D7ED@localhost> On 9 Feb 2004 at 11:33, Wendy Petti wrote: > Example 1: > setpos random 200 random 200 setpos random 200 random 200 setpos does not like 4 as input This is the correct command: setpos list random 200 random 200 or these: setpos sentence random 200 random 200 setpos se random 200 random 200 setpos (se random 200 random 200) setpos (list random 200 random 200) > (This command would only place the turtle in the upper right quadrant.) > > * * * > > Example 2: > setpos -250 + random 500 setpos -150 + random 300 setpos -250 + random 500 setpos -150 + random 300 setpos does not like 150 as input Same thing here: setpos list -250 + random 500 setpos -150 + random 300 > Example 3: > setpos (se -250 + random 500 -150 + random 300) > > (This command does *exactly* the same thing as Example 2, using se > (sentence) instead of list. Note that when when more than 2 inputs are > being combined using SE, then the SE command and its inputs need to be > enclosed in parentheses.) But that is not the case here: setpos se -250 + random 500 -150 + random 300 works just as well because setpos se -250 + random 500 -150 + random 300 is the same thing as: setpos se (-250 + random 500) (-150 + random 300) Daniel OpenWorld Learning From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Mon Feb 9 18:05:08 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Wendy Petti) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 13:05:08 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]RE: random numbers with setpos In-Reply-To: <40277F76.16735.101D7ED@localhost> Message-ID: Whoops!! I can't believe I left out the LIST command in my examples of how to use LIST! I tested my examples in MW using LIST but when I retyped them into the message I must have spaced out. Thanks for the corrections, Daniel! And thanks for setting me straight on the use of SE, too. 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mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Wed Feb 11 15:46:06 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Ask an Expert - Question) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 10:46:06 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]Re: MIA, Ask an Expert Question Message-ID: <402A07EE.23117.A420E2@localhost> This is an automatic message sent from the web form at: http://mia.openworldlearning.org/howdoi.htm from: "jayne" date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 8:20:31 -0700 how can i make a square repeat inside itself making the square smaller each time From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Wed Feb 11 15:56:48 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Daniel Ajoy) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 10:56:48 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]Re: MIA, Ask an Expert Question Message-ID: <402A0A70.1146.ADEEF0@localhost> On 11 Feb 2004 at 8:17, askanexpert@openworldlearning.org wrote: > from: "jayne" jayne.harvey27@ntlworld.com > date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 8:17:26 -0700 > > how can i repeat a square within a square making it smaller each time Here's a way. Do you notice a pattern? to all_of_them pd square0 pu fd 10 rt 90 fd 10 lt 90 pd square1 pu fd 10 rt 90 fd 10 lt 90 pd square2 pu fd 10 rt 90 fd 10 lt 90 end to square0 repeat 4 [fd 200 rt 90] end to square1 repeat 4 [fd 180 rt 90] end to square2 repeat 4 [fd 160 rt 90] end Daniel OpenWorld Learning From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Sat Feb 14 14:40:17 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Ask an Expert - Question) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 09:40:17 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]MIA, Ask an Expert Question Message-ID: <402DED01.1845.9D14DE@localhost>
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from: teisberg@adelphia.net
date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 7:37:27 -0700

I understand there is a Microworlds Logo 2.0 that my son is
using in a class, and a Microworlds EX Robotic Edition (or
something like that) which can program the Lego RCX.  My
son will what to program his RCX, but he also wants the his
Logo to be like the one he uses at his class.  Will the
Robitics Edition of Microworlds work like MicroWorlds 2.0,
but with the added robitics capability?

Thanks.
Tom

From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Sat Feb 14 23:10:28 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Adam Black) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 10:10:28 +1100 Subject: [MWForum]please remove me from the mailing list Message-ID: _________________________________________________________________ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Wed Feb 11 15:06:17 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Waldron, Jennifer) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 10:06:17 -0500 Subject: [MWForum](no subject) Message-ID: Hi there, Question for anyone out there...... In our school we have just purchsed MicroWorlds Robotic EX for Windows XP. I have used the more basic MicroWorlds Logo software before and am vexed by the following. In the basics programming mode, a user can write a procedure for a regular polygon taking in consideration that the number of sides that polygon has relates to 360 degrees. A procedure for a pentagon would write like this: to pentagon repeat 5 [fd 50 rt 360 / 5] end It also could be written as follows, depending on whether you wanted to have the computer do the math for you: to pentagon repeat 5 [fd 50 rt 72] end In probing why the number of sides relates to the angles (having to add up to 360) what angles are refered to? I am wanting to know why this is so. I have heard this refered to as Total Trip Theorem. Can anyone shed some light on this? Thanks Jen From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Sun Feb 15 02:32:42 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Daniel Ajoy) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 21:32:42 -0500 Subject: [MWForum] Total Trip Theorem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <402E93FA.27329.151224@localhost> --Message-Boundary-5843 Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body
On 11 Feb 2004 at 10:06, Waldron, Jennifer wrote:

> In probing why the number of sides relates to the angles
> (having to add up to 360) what angles are refered to? I am
> wanting to know why this is so.
> I have heard this refered to as Total Trip Theorem.  Can
> anyone shed some light on this?

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Daniel
OpenWorld Learning
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Sun Feb 15 02:48:46 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Susan Weiss) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 21:48:46 -0500 Subject: [MWForum](no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: When I do this I start with the square and the way the turtle keeps on going around in a circle. I always start with regular shapes. We are looking at the external angles which is the path that the turtle is taking as it goes in the same direction. Susan Weiss >Hi there, >Question for anyone out there...... >In our school we have just purchsed MicroWorlds Robotic EX >for Windows XP. I have used the more basic MicroWorlds Logo >software before and am vexed by the following. >In the basics programming mode, a user can write a >procedure for a regular polygon taking in consideration >that the number of sides that polygon has relates to 360 >degrees. A procedure for a pentagon would write like this: >to pentagon >repeat 5 [fd 50 rt 360 / 5] >end >It also could be written as follows, depending on whether >you wanted to have the computer do the math for you: >to pentagon >repeat 5 [fd 50 rt 72] >end >In probing why the number of sides relates to the angles >(having to add up to 360) what angles are refered to? I am >wanting to know why this is so. >I have heard this refered to as Total Trip Theorem. Can >anyone shed some light on this? >Thanks >Jen >_______________________________________________ >MWForum mailing list >MWForum@lists.mathcats.com >http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum >Attachments archived at: >http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html >To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact >mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Mon Feb 16 01:15:00 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Pavel Boytchev) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 03:15:00 +0200 Subject: [MWForum](no subject) References: Message-ID: <40301994.DD5ABBD4@elica.net> > >In probing why the number of sides relates to the angles > >(having to add up to 360) what angles are refered to? I am > >wanting to know why this is so. If you draw a polygon with N sides, the turtle should definitely turn N times. Because angles (orientation, turtle's heading) do not change during FORWARD movement, the final orientation will be the same as if the turtle only turns around (and does not move forward). So, if the turtle stays on one place and makes N turns to the left, and if the final orientation is the same as the initial one, then all turn angles should have a sum = 360. If the angles are the same, then each of them should be 360/N. Thus, the following code: repeat :N [ fd 10 lt 360/:N] will draw a square when N=4, and a pentagon when N=5, and the bigger the N is, the more circle-like the polygon is. This is a simplification of a more general phenomena. [1] The overall turn angle is not necessarily equal to 360 degrees. It can also be 360*K where K is integer number (0, 360, -360, 720, -720,...) So if the overall turn angle is 360 degrees, this is just the case when K=1 [2] If you have both left and right turns, you must convert all of them into only left, or into only right (by using that LT :A = RT 0-:A). When you calculate the total sum of angles (positive and negative angles), the result must be 360*K if the final orientation is the same as the initial one. Pavel From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Mon Feb 16 11:32:40 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Steve Robson) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:32:40 +0000 Subject: [MWForum]Re: a very simple polygon procedure Message-ID:

This is very, very simple but draws what you ask it to.

to poly :sides
repeat :sides[fd 100 rt 360 / :sides]
end

Then call poly 4 (or whatever)
Cheers

Steve

From: Pavel Boytchev
Reply-To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com
To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com
Subject: Re: [MWForum](no subject)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 03:15:00 +0200
> >In probing why the number of sides relates to the angles
> >(having to add up to 360) what angles are refered to? I am
> >wanting to know why this is so.
If you draw a polygon with N sides, the turtle should definitely turn N
times. Because angles (orientation, turtle's heading) do not change
during FORWARD movement, the final orientation will be the same as if
the turtle only turns around (and does not move forward). So, if the
turtle stays on one place and makes N turns to the left, and if the
final orientation is the same as the initial one, then all turn angles
should have a sum = 360. If the angles are the same, then each of them
should be 360/N. Thus, the following code:
repeat :N [ fd 10 lt 360/:N]
will draw a square when N=4, and a pentagon when N=5, and the bigger the
N is, the more circle-like the polygon is.
This is a simplification of a more general phenomena.
[1] The overall turn angle is not necessarily equal to 360 degrees. It
can also be 360*K where K is integer number (0, 360, -360, 720,
-720,...) So if the overall turn angle is 360 degrees, this is just the
case when K=1
[2] If you have both left and right turns, you must convert all of them
into only left, or into only right (by using that LT :A = RT 0-:A). When
you calculate the total sum of angles (positive and negative angles),
the result must be 360*K if the final orientation is the same as the
initial one.
Pavel
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Find out more about the new range of Premium Web services from MSN. Click here for more information. From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Wed Feb 18 02:19:17 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Tony Wilson) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 13:19:17 +1100 Subject: [MWForum]transition form page to page Message-ID: <20040218021918.4FD74EC137@adm3.vicceo.schools.net.au> Dear All, Does anyone know a way to move from page to page quickly (we are doing clay animation and I am hoping to run a quick slideshow on MW2)? There may be many slides and I am looking for a quicker way of moving from page to page than page1 wait 2 page2 wait 2 page3 wait 2 .. Thanks Tony. Pavel Boytchev on Mon, 16 Feb 2004 03:15:00 +0200 wrote: > > >In probing why the number of sides relates to the angles > > >(having to add up to 360) what angles are refered to? I am > > >wanting to know why this is so. > > If you draw a polygon with N sides, the turtle should definitely turn N > times. Because angles (orientation, turtle's heading) do not change > during FORWARD movement, the final orientation will be the same as if > the turtle only turns around (and does not move forward). So, if the > turtle stays on one place and makes N turns to the left, and if the > final orientation is the same as the initial one, then all turn angles > should have a sum = 360. If the angles are the same, then each of them > should be 360/N. Thus, the following code: > > repeat :N [ fd 10 lt 360/:N] > > will draw a square when N=4, and a pentagon when N=5, and the bigger the > N is, the more circle-like the polygon is. > > This is a simplification of a more general phenomena. > > [1] The overall turn angle is not necessarily equal to 360 degrees. It > can also be 360*K where K is integer number (0, 360, -360, 720, > -720,...) So if the overall turn angle is 360 degrees, this is just the > case when K=1 > > [2] If you have both left and right turns, you must convert all of them > into only left, or into only right (by using that LT :A = RT 0-:A). When > you calculate the total sum of angles (positive and negative angles), > the result must be 360*K if the final orientation is the same as the > initial one. > > Pavel > > _______________________________________________ > MWForum mailing list > MWForum@lists.mathcats.com > http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum > Attachments archived at: > http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html > To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact > mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com --- Tony Wilson Computer Coordinator Holy Eucharist School St Albans From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Wed Feb 18 04:06:27 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Wendy Petti) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 23:06:27 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]transition from page to page In-Reply-To: <20040218021918.4FD74EC137@adm3.vicceo.schools.net.au> Message-ID: Do these really need to be separate pages in the project, or can you save them as external GIF or JPEG files (stored in the same folder as the MW project) and then load them with the LOADPICT command? I used to do such slideshows with my students a lot, and we often used a slider to control the speed of the slideshow. If you have animated turtles on each page, this strategy wouldn't work. But it sounds as if you are only pausing 2/10 of a second per page, so I'm guessing each page is static. If by "quicker" you are looking for a more automated way of making the code for the slideshow, here is the code I used to generate a slideshow automatically without having to type in file names: * * * * * to slideshow if :no > count pictlist [make "no 1] clean loadpict item :no pictlist cc show item :no pictlist wait speed make "no :no + 1 slideshow end * * * * * then you'd make a button named SLIDESHOW and a slider called SPEED. This project would load the picture files in alphabetical order. Aside from ease of use, another advantage is that the project can accommodate any number of "pages" (external graphics files) in this way. Otherwise, some versions of MW have a 20-page maximum; I'm not sure if any have higher limits. It is also possible to automate the saving and naming of the graphics files. My students used to generate a whole-class automatic slideshow within one class period using the procedures below in conjunction with the procedures above (and saving to a shared network folder): * * * * * [These procedures are used with 2 textboxes: MY.NAME (student types name in this box at beginning of class) and PICTURE.NAME (an invisible textbox used to compile the file name). A button named SAVE.THIS.PICTURE triggers the automatic saving and naming of the file; the student only needs to click the button.] to startup picture.name, ct make "no 1 end to Save.this.picture picturename savepict picture.name announce [Your picture has been saved.] end to picturename make "picture# 1 + count pictlist picture.name, ct insert :picture# insert my.name insert ".gif end [Note: If you would like the graphics file name to include a project name along with the class and student name, you may include this command in the PICTURENAME procedure, possible right above the INSERT MY.NAME command: insert "projectname (only replace the word PROJECTNAME with the desired word).] * * * * * Wendy Petti MicroWorlds in Action http://mia.openworldlearning.org Math Cats http://www.mathcats.com > -----Original Message----- > From: mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com > [mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com]On Behalf Of Tony Wilson > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 9:19 PM > To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com > Subject: [MWForum]transition form page to page > > > Dear All, > Does anyone know a way to move from page to page quickly (we are > doing clay animation and I am hoping to run a quick slideshow on MW2)? > There may be many slides and I am looking for a quicker way of > moving from page to page than > page1 wait 2 page2 wait 2 page3 wait 2 .. > Thanks > Tony. From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Wed Feb 18 04:08:50 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Daniel Ajoy) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 23:08:50 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]transition form page to page In-Reply-To: <20040218021918.4FD74EC137@adm3.vicceo.schools.net.au> Message-ID: <40329F02.2475.62234C@localhost> On 18 Feb 2004 at 13:19, Tony Wilson wrote: > Dear All, > Does anyone know a way to move from page to page quickly (we are doing clay animation and I am > hoping to run a quick slideshow on MW2)? > There may be many slides and I am looking for a quicker way of moving from page to page than > page1 wait 2 page2 wait 2 page3 wait 2 .. > Thanks > Tony. > Hi Tony, what's wrong with: page1 page2 page3 ... Daniel OpenWorld Learning From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Wed Feb 18 04:34:46 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Tony Wilson) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:34:46 +1100 Subject: [MWForum]transition from page to page Message-ID: <20040218043446.97E40EC136@adm3.vicceo.schools.net.au> Thanks Wendy and Daniel, I will try out your suggestions, Wendy. I liked yours too Daniel, but there may be as many as 100 pictures and it could be a bit tedious. I am trying to push Microworlds amongst the staff and if it is too much of a bother they will want to use a media player or powerpoint. I am hoping the kids can see the value and power of programming. Thanks again, Tony. "Wendy Petti" on Tue, 17 Feb 2004 23:06:27 -0500 wrote: > Do these really need to be separate pages in the project, or can you save > them as external GIF or JPEG files (stored in the same folder as the MW > project) and then load them with the LOADPICT command? I used to do such > slideshows with my students a lot, and we often used a slider to control the > speed of the slideshow. If you have animated turtles on each page, this > strategy wouldn't work. But it sounds as if you are only pausing 2/10 of a > second per page, so I'm guessing each page is static. > > If by "quicker" you are looking for a more automated way of making the code > for the slideshow, here is the code I used to generate a slideshow > automatically without having to type in file names: > > * * * * * > > to slideshow > if :no > count pictlist [make "no 1] > clean > loadpict item :no pictlist > cc show item :no pictlist > wait speed > make "no :no + 1 > slideshow > end > > * * * * * > > then you'd make a button named SLIDESHOW and a slider called SPEED. > This project would load the picture files in alphabetical order. > > Aside from ease of use, another advantage is that the project can > accommodate any number of "pages" (external graphics files) in this way. > Otherwise, some versions of MW have a 20-page maximum; I'm not sure if any > have higher limits. > > It is also possible to automate the saving and naming of the graphics files. > My students used to generate a whole-class automatic slideshow within one > class period using the procedures below in conjunction with the procedures > above (and saving to a shared network folder): > > * * * * * > [These procedures are used with 2 textboxes: MY.NAME (student types name in > this box at beginning of class) and PICTURE.NAME (an invisible textbox used > to compile the file name). A button named SAVE.THIS.PICTURE triggers the > automatic saving and naming of the file; the student only needs to click the > button.] > > to startup > picture.name, ct > make "no 1 > end > > to Save.this.picture > picturename > savepict picture.name > announce [Your picture has been saved.] > end > > to picturename > make "picture# 1 + count pictlist > picture.name, ct > insert :picture# > insert my.name > insert ".gif > end > > [Note: If you would like the graphics file name to include a project name > along with the class and student name, you may include this command in the > PICTURENAME procedure, possible right above the INSERT MY.NAME command: > > insert "projectname > > (only replace the word PROJECTNAME with the desired word).] > > * * * * * > > Wendy Petti > MicroWorlds in Action > http://mia.openworldlearning.org > Math Cats > http://www.mathcats.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com > > [mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com]On Behalf Of Tony Wilson > > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 9:19 PM > > To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com > > Subject: [MWForum]transition form page to page > > > > > > Dear All, > > Does anyone know a way to move from page to page quickly (we are > > doing clay animation and I am hoping to run a quick slideshow on MW2)? > > There may be many slides and I am looking for a quicker way of > > moving from page to page than > > page1 wait 2 page2 wait 2 page3 wait 2 .. > > Thanks > > Tony. > > > > _______________________________________________ > MWForum mailing list > MWForum@lists.mathcats.com > http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum > Attachments archived at: > http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html > To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact > mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com --- Tony Wilson Computer Coordinator Holy Eucharist School St Albans From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Wed Feb 18 04:57:02 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Tony Wilson) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:57:02 +1100 Subject: [MWForum]transition from page to page Message-ID: <20040218045702.D63D3EC137@adm3.vicceo.schools.net.au> Wendy, I am getting this error message when I try your suggestion: 'no has no value in slideshow' Can you put me on the right track? Thanks, Tony. "Wendy Petti" on Tue, 17 Feb 2004 23:06:27 -0500 wrote: > Do these really need to be separate pages in the project, or can you save > them as external GIF or JPEG files (stored in the same folder as the MW > project) and then load them with the LOADPICT command? I used to do such > slideshows with my students a lot, and we often used a slider to control the > speed of the slideshow. If you have animated turtles on each page, this > strategy wouldn't work. But it sounds as if you are only pausing 2/10 of a > second per page, so I'm guessing each page is static. > > If by "quicker" you are looking for a more automated way of making the code > for the slideshow, here is the code I used to generate a slideshow > automatically without having to type in file names: > > * * * * * > > to slideshow > if :no > count pictlist [make "no 1] > clean > loadpict item :no pictlist > cc show item :no pictlist > wait speed > make "no :no + 1 > slideshow > end > > * * * * * > > then you'd make a button named SLIDESHOW and a slider called SPEED. > This project would load the picture files in alphabetical order. > > Aside from ease of use, another advantage is that the project can > accommodate any number of "pages" (external graphics files) in this way. > Otherwise, some versions of MW have a 20-page maximum; I'm not sure if any > have higher limits. > > It is also possible to automate the saving and naming of the graphics files. > My students used to generate a whole-class automatic slideshow within one > class period using the procedures below in conjunction with the procedures > above (and saving to a shared network folder): > > * * * * * > [These procedures are used with 2 textboxes: MY.NAME (student types name in > this box at beginning of class) and PICTURE.NAME (an invisible textbox used > to compile the file name). A button named SAVE.THIS.PICTURE triggers the > automatic saving and naming of the file; the student only needs to click the > button.] > > to startup > picture.name, ct > make "no 1 > end > > to Save.this.picture > picturename > savepict picture.name > announce [Your picture has been saved.] > end > > to picturename > make "picture# 1 + count pictlist > picture.name, ct > insert :picture# > insert my.name > insert ".gif > end > > [Note: If you would like the graphics file name to include a project name > along with the class and student name, you may include this command in the > PICTURENAME procedure, possible right above the INSERT MY.NAME command: > > insert "projectname > > (only replace the word PROJECTNAME with the desired word).] > > * * * * * > > Wendy Petti > MicroWorlds in Action > http://mia.openworldlearning.org > Math Cats > http://www.mathcats.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com > > [mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com]On Behalf Of Tony Wilson > > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 9:19 PM > > To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com > > Subject: [MWForum]transition form page to page > > > > > > Dear All, > > Does anyone know a way to move from page to page quickly (we are > > doing clay animation and I am hoping to run a quick slideshow on MW2)? > > There may be many slides and I am looking for a quicker way of > > moving from page to page than > > page1 wait 2 page2 wait 2 page3 wait 2 .. > > Thanks > > Tony. > > > > _______________________________________________ > MWForum mailing list > MWForum@lists.mathcats.com > http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum > Attachments archived at: > http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html > To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact > mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com --- Tony Wilson Computer Coordinator Holy Eucharist School St Albans From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Wed Feb 18 05:00:45 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Tony Wilson) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 16:00:45 +1100 Subject: [MWForum]transition from page to page Message-ID: <20040218050046.11FD9EC138@adm3.vicceo.schools.net.au> Hang on, I think I see. Tony "Wendy Petti" on Tue, 17 Feb 2004 23:06:27 -0500 wrote: > Do these really need to be separate pages in the project, or can you save > them as external GIF or JPEG files (stored in the same folder as the MW > project) and then load them with the LOADPICT command? I used to do such > slideshows with my students a lot, and we often used a slider to control the > speed of the slideshow. If you have animated turtles on each page, this > strategy wouldn't work. But it sounds as if you are only pausing 2/10 of a > second per page, so I'm guessing each page is static. > > If by "quicker" you are looking for a more automated way of making the code > for the slideshow, here is the code I used to generate a slideshow > automatically without having to type in file names: > > * * * * * > > to slideshow > if :no > count pictlist [make "no 1] > clean > loadpict item :no pictlist > cc show item :no pictlist > wait speed > make "no :no + 1 > slideshow > end > > * * * * * > > then you'd make a button named SLIDESHOW and a slider called SPEED. > This project would load the picture files in alphabetical order. > > Aside from ease of use, another advantage is that the project can > accommodate any number of "pages" (external graphics files) in this way. > Otherwise, some versions of MW have a 20-page maximum; I'm not sure if any > have higher limits. > > It is also possible to automate the saving and naming of the graphics files. > My students used to generate a whole-class automatic slideshow within one > class period using the procedures below in conjunction with the procedures > above (and saving to a shared network folder): > > * * * * * > [These procedures are used with 2 textboxes: MY.NAME (student types name in > this box at beginning of class) and PICTURE.NAME (an invisible textbox used > to compile the file name). A button named SAVE.THIS.PICTURE triggers the > automatic saving and naming of the file; the student only needs to click the > button.] > > to startup > picture.name, ct > make "no 1 > end > > to Save.this.picture > picturename > savepict picture.name > announce [Your picture has been saved.] > end > > to picturename > make "picture# 1 + count pictlist > picture.name, ct > insert :picture# > insert my.name > insert ".gif > end > > [Note: If you would like the graphics file name to include a project name > along with the class and student name, you may include this command in the > PICTURENAME procedure, possible right above the INSERT MY.NAME command: > > insert "projectname > > (only replace the word PROJECTNAME with the desired word).] > > * * * * * > > Wendy Petti > MicroWorlds in Action > http://mia.openworldlearning.org > Math Cats > http://www.mathcats.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com > > [mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com]On Behalf Of Tony Wilson > > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 9:19 PM > > To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com > > Subject: [MWForum]transition form page to page > > > > > > Dear All, > > Does anyone know a way to move from page to page quickly (we are > > doing clay animation and I am hoping to run a quick slideshow on MW2)? > > There may be many slides and I am looking for a quicker way of > > moving from page to page than > > page1 wait 2 page2 wait 2 page3 wait 2 .. > > Thanks > > Tony. > > > > _______________________________________________ > MWForum mailing list > MWForum@lists.mathcats.com > http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum > Attachments archived at: > http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html > To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact > mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com --- Tony Wilson Computer Coordinator Holy Eucharist School St Albans From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Wed Feb 18 05:38:11 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Wendy Petti) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 00:38:11 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]transition from page to page In-Reply-To: <20040218043446.97E40EC136@adm3.vicceo.schools.net.au> Message-ID: Hi Tony, In answer to your question: > I am getting this error message when I try your suggestion: > Can you put me on the right track? ... I should have mentioned that you need to use this with a startup procedure that gives a starting value to the variable "NO. See below. I've also developed a variation of the automatic slideshow that lets you advance from slide to slide or backtrack using keys on the keyboard: N (for "New Slide") or B (for "Back") or S (for "Stop"). That allows you to linger as long as you like on one slide before going on to the next, and then to flip through a number of slides quickly by pressing N N N N N. (But for 100 slides that is a lot of N's! Still, I used it to make an easy slideshow of photos in celebration of my folks' 50th anniversary and it was very easy to create and use the slideshow. I simply needed to place a number before each slide name to set the order of the slides. You can certainly renumber or rename slides after saving them, of course.) I usually set up a two-page project so that the first page is for creating slides and the second page is for viewing the slideshow. That way the second page does not have the MY.NAME textbox, and also that way a student can be drawing a slide, pause to view the slideshow on the second page, and then return to his/her drawing without having erased it while watching the show. The optional DRAW procedure returns the user from the second page to the first (drawing) page and makes sure that the slideshow stops running. (You can put a SEE_SLIDESHOW button on the first page and write a SEE_SLIDESHOW procedure which simply sends the user to the second page with the command: PAGE2) Here are the commands for that variation. You'll need a MY.NAME textbox, an invisible PICTURE.NAME textbox, and a SLIDESHOW button. The RESET and DRAW procedures are optional. * * * * * to startup my.name, ct make "no 0 end to reset cg end to save_design picture.name, ct insert 1 + count pictlist insert "- insert my.name insert ".gif savepict picture.name announce [Your picture has been saved.] end to slideshow make "key readchar if :no > count pictlist [make :no 0] if :key = "S [stopall] if :key = "B [make "no :no - 1 if :no < 1 [make "no count pictlist] show-next-slide] if :key = "N [make "no :no + 1 if :no > count pictlist [make "no 1] show-next-slide] slideshow end to show-next-slide clean loadpict item :no pictlist cc show item :no pictlist end to draw clean page1 stopall end * * * * * I am all in favor of doing whatever we can to lower the learning threshhold for new users of MicroWorlds. I do hope that one of these automatic slideshow variations will work for you and your colleagues. I can send the actual projects if these procedures are not sufficient. If you have 100 pictures you will definitely not want to create a 100-page project; simply merging all of those pages into one project would be extremely tedious, even if you wrote a procedure to simplify the navigation from page to page... and the file size would be huge, if it would even be possible to make a project that large. Just be aware that the dimensions of the project page must be large enough for viewing the external graphics files. This is not a problem if you are loading pictures saved with MW, but it might be a problem if you are loading digital photos, etc... you might need to resize them. (And yes, you can use MW to resize them, too, but we won't get into that in this message.) Wendy Petti MicroWorlds in Action http://mia.openworldlearning.org Math Cats http://www.mathcats.com > -----Original Message----- > From: mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com > [mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com]On Behalf Of Tony Wilson > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 11:35 PM > To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com > Subject: RE: [MWForum]transition from page to page > > > Thanks Wendy and Daniel, > I will try out your suggestions, Wendy. I liked yours too Daniel, > but there may be as many as 100 pictures and it could be a bit tedious. > I am trying to push Microworlds amongst the staff and if it is > too much of a bother they will want to use a media player or powerpoint. > I am hoping the kids can see the value and power of programming. > Thanks again, > Tony. From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Wed Feb 18 12:02:11 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Daniel Ajoy) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:02:11 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]transition from page to page In-Reply-To: <20040218043446.97E40EC136@adm3.vicceo.schools.net.au> Message-ID: <40330DF3.6858.195A9F@localhost> On 18 Feb 2004 at 15:34, Tony Wilson wrote: > Thanks Wendy and Daniel, > I will try out your suggestions, Wendy. I liked yours too Daniel, but there may be as many as 100 > pictures and it could be a bit tedious. > But this would go through pages 1 to 100 dotimes [pg 100] [run word "page 1 + :pg] without having to say: page1 page2 page3 ... explicitly. But is looks like the maximum number of pages is 25: repeat 100 [newpage] The maximum number of pages is 25 Daniel OpenWorld Learning From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Sun Feb 22 14:29:05 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Lauren Pacini) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 06:29:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [MWForum]Syntax not working In-Reply-To: <40330DF3.6858.195A9F@localhost> Message-ID: <20040222142905.28573.qmail@web20608.mail.yahoo.com> I am trying to create a simple macro substitution but the local variable syntax is not working, so I am clearly missing a step! The help file shows the follow, but tells me "I don't know how to to" to square :size repeat 4 [fd :size rt 90] end My desired result is: to shape :value repeat :value [fd 100 re 360 / :value] end Thanks!!! Lauren __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Sun Feb 22 14:35:04 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Wendy Petti) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 09:35:04 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]Syntax not working In-Reply-To: <20040222142905.28573.qmail@web20608.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: When you use the procedure (in the command center or on a button), type this: SHAPE 6 Don't type: TO SHAPE 6 I'm guessing that is why you are getting the error message, because you are including TO in your command. You have a typo in your procedure too; it should be RT instead of RE. Wendy Petti MicroWorlds in Action http://mia.openworldlearning.org Math Cats http://www.mathcats.com > -----Original Message----- > From: mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com > [mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com]On Behalf Of Lauren Pacini > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 9:29 AM > To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com > Subject: [MWForum]Syntax not working > > > I am trying to create a simple macro substitution but > the local variable syntax is not working, so I am > clearly missing a step! > > The help file shows the follow, but tells me "I don't > know how to to" > > to square :size > repeat 4 [fd :size rt 90] > end > > My desired result is: > > to shape :value > repeat :value [fd 100 re 360 / :value] > end > > Thanks!!! > > Lauren > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. > http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools > _______________________________________________ > MWForum mailing list > MWForum@lists.mathcats.com > http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum > Attachments archived at: > http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html > To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact > mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com > From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Sun Feb 22 16:25:06 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Lauren Pacini) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 08:25:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [MWForum]Syntax not working In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040222162506.28412.qmail@web20610.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for pointing out the typo -- haste makes waste! As for the "SHAPE 6" command, that seems to return the message "I don't know what to do with turtle" so once again I missed something along the line. I typed the "To" becasue that was the syntax I used with MSW LOGO and the syntax used in the Microworlds help file! Lauren --- Wendy Petti wrote: > When you use the procedure (in the command center or > on a button), type > this: > > SHAPE 6 > > Don't type: > > TO SHAPE 6 > > I'm guessing that is why you are getting the error > message, because you are > including TO in your command. > > You have a typo in your procedure too; it should be > RT instead of RE. > > Wendy Petti > MicroWorlds in Action > http://mia.openworldlearning.org > Math Cats > http://www.mathcats.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com > > [mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com]On Behalf > Of Lauren Pacini > > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 9:29 AM > > To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com > > Subject: [MWForum]Syntax not working > > > > > > I am trying to create a simple macro substitution > but > > the local variable syntax is not working, so I am > > clearly missing a step! > > > > The help file shows the follow, but tells me "I > don't > > know how to to" > > > > to square :size > > repeat 4 [fd :size rt 90] > > end > > > > My desired result is: > > > > to shape :value > > repeat :value [fd 100 re 360 / :value] > > end > > > > Thanks!!! > > > > Lauren > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you > want. > > http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools > > _______________________________________________ > > MWForum mailing list > > MWForum@lists.mathcats.com > > http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum > > Attachments archived at: > > http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html > > To unsubscribe or for administrative questions > contact > > mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > MWForum mailing list > MWForum@lists.mathcats.com > http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum > Attachments archived at: > http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html > To unsubscribe or for administrative questions > contact > mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Sun Feb 22 16:31:57 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Susan van Gelder) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:31:57 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]Syntax not working In-Reply-To: <20040222162506.28412.qmail@web20610.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040222162506.28412.qmail@web20610.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You cannot name a procedure shape because that is a reserved name - a reporter that tells you the name of the shape the turtle is. You need to name your procedure something else, like shapes Susan On Feb 22, 2004, at 11:25 AM, Lauren Pacini wrote: > Thanks for pointing out the typo -- haste makes waste! > As for the "SHAPE 6" command, that seems to return the > message "I don't know what to do with turtle" so once > again I missed something along the line. I typed the > "To" becasue that was the syntax I used with MSW LOGO > and the syntax used in the Microworlds help file! > > Lauren > > > --- Wendy Petti wrote: >> When you use the procedure (in the command center or >> on a button), type >> this: >> >> SHAPE 6 >> >> Don't type: >> >> TO SHAPE 6 >> >> I'm guessing that is why you are getting the error >> message, because you are >> including TO in your command. >> >> You have a typo in your procedure too; it should be >> RT instead of RE. >> >> Wendy Petti >> MicroWorlds in Action >> http://mia.openworldlearning.org >> Math Cats >> http://www.mathcats.com >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com >>> [mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com]On Behalf >> Of Lauren Pacini >>> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 9:29 AM >>> To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com >>> Subject: [MWForum]Syntax not working >>> >>> >>> I am trying to create a simple macro substitution >> but >>> the local variable syntax is not working, so I am >>> clearly missing a step! >>> >>> The help file shows the follow, but tells me "I >> don't >>> know how to to" >>> >>> to square :size >>> repeat 4 [fd :size rt 90] >>> end >>> >>> My desired result is: >>> >>> to shape :value >>> repeat :value [fd 100 re 360 / :value] >>> end >>> >>> Thanks!!! >>> >>> Lauren >>> >>> >>> __________________________________ >>> Do you Yahoo!? >>> Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you >> want. >>> http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools >>> _______________________________________________ >>> MWForum mailing list >>> MWForum@lists.mathcats.com >>> http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum >>> Attachments archived at: >>> http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html >>> To unsubscribe or for administrative questions >> contact >>> mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MWForum mailing list >> MWForum@lists.mathcats.com >> http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum >> Attachments archived at: >> http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html >> To unsubscribe or for administrative questions >> contact >> mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. > http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools > _______________________________________________ > MWForum mailing list > MWForum@lists.mathcats.com > http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum > Attachments archived at: > http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html > To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact > mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com > > *************************************************************** Susan van Gelder susanvg@videotron.ca From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Sun Feb 22 18:32:27 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Wendy Petti) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:32:27 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]Syntax not working In-Reply-To: <20040222162506.28412.qmail@web20610.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Oops! Susan is certainly right; you cannot use SHAPE as a procedure name. Also, to clarify: you do indeed use TO when you are naming a procedure. But you don't use TO when you are calling the procedure (when you are activating it). So here is what you might use: [on the procedures page] to polygon :value repeat :value [fd 100 rt 360 / :value] end [and then, in the command center] polygon 6 [OR on the project page, for a button name] polygon 6 By the way, if you would like the user to be able to control the number of sides, you could use a slider named (for instance) #SIDES and then revise your procedure like this: TO POLYGON REPEAT #SIDES [FD 100 RT 360 / #SIDES] END Note that in this case, when you are using a slider for the input to a variable, you do not need to create a variable in the procedure name and you do not use a colon before the name of the slider. In the command center or in a button name you would simply have the word POLYGON, and the procedure would use the selected value on the #SIDES slider. Wendy From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Sun Feb 22 20:59:39 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Ask an Expert - Question) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 15:59:39 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]main differences between MicroWorlds Pro and MicroWorlds EX Message-ID: <4038D1EB.16024.74FC6@localhost>
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From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Sun Feb 22 21:21:00 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Daniel Ajoy) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:21:00 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]Syntax not working In-Reply-To: References: <20040222162506.28412.qmail@web20610.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4038D6EC.16075.1ADCA0@localhost> On 22 Feb 2004 at 11:31, Susan van Gelder wrote: > You cannot name a procedure shape because that is a reserved name - a > reporter that tells you the name of the shape the turtle is. > Interesting! The name of the shape of a turtle without a shape is turtle :) show shape turtle show sentence "slow shape slow turtle setshape "dog1 show sentence "slow shape slow dog1 Daniel OpenWorld Learning From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Sun Feb 22 23:28:44 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Lauren Pacini) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 15:28:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [MWForum]Syntax not working In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040222232844.91823.qmail@web20605.mail.yahoo.com> Aaaaaaah.....I forgot about Procedures Page vs. Command Center! Back to the drawing board! Thanks, everyone! Lauren --- Wendy Petti wrote: > Oops! Susan is certainly right; you cannot use > SHAPE as a procedure name. > Also, to clarify: you do indeed use TO when you are > naming a procedure. > But you don't use TO when you are calling the > procedure (when you are > activating it). So here is what you might use: > > [on the procedures page] > > to polygon :value > repeat :value [fd 100 rt 360 / :value] > end > > [and then, in the command center] > > polygon 6 > > [OR on the project page, for a button name] > > polygon 6 > > By the way, if you would like the user to be able to > control the number of > sides, you could use a slider named (for instance) > #SIDES and then revise > your procedure like this: > > TO POLYGON > REPEAT #SIDES [FD 100 RT 360 / #SIDES] > END > > Note that in this case, when you are using a slider > for the input to a > variable, you do not need to create a variable in > the procedure name and you > do not use a colon before the name of the slider. > In the command center or > in a button name you would simply have the word > POLYGON, and the procedure > would use the selected value on the #SIDES slider. > > Wendy > > > > > _______________________________________________ > MWForum mailing list > MWForum@lists.mathcats.com > http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum > Attachments archived at: > http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html > To unsubscribe or for administrative questions > contact > mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Mon Feb 23 18:57:36 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Ask an Expert - Question) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 13:57:36 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]multi.poly Message-ID: <403A06D0.18629.FFAC8B@localhost> This is an automatic message sent from the web form at: http://mia.openworldlearning.org/howdoi.htm from: "Alisha" date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:32:47 -0700 how do you write a superprocedure called multi.poly :nsides using the make command to create a drawing of five embedded regular polygons: a triangle, a square, a pentagon, a hexagon, and a heptagon? Daniel From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Mon Feb 23 19:10:32 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Lauren Pacini) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:10:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [MWForum]multi.poly In-Reply-To: <403A06D0.18629.FFAC8B@localhost> Message-ID: <20040223191032.67781.qmail@web20601.mail.yahoo.com> Daniel -- what is the value of nsides? Lauren --- Ask an Expert - Question wrote: > This is an automatic message sent from the web form > at: > http://mia.openworldlearning.org/howdoi.htm > > from: "Alisha" > date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:32:47 -0700 > > how do you write a superprocedure called multi.poly > :nsides > using the make command to create a drawing of five > embedded > regular polygons: a triangle, a square, a pentagon, > a > hexagon, and a heptagon? > > > Daniel > > _______________________________________________ > MWForum mailing list > MWForum@lists.mathcats.com > http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum > Attachments archived at: > http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html > To unsubscribe or for administrative questions > contact > mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Mon Feb 23 22:14:05 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Daniel Ajoy) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 17:14:05 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]multi.poly In-Reply-To: <20040223191032.67781.qmail@web20601.mail.yahoo.com> References: <403A06D0.18629.FFAC8B@localhost> Message-ID: <403A34DD.11652.B13C5@localhost> On 23 Feb 2004 at 11:10, Lauren Pacini wrote: > Daniel -- what is the value of nsides? > > Lauren It's the number of sides of the regular polygons. But it was Alisha's question: > from: "Alisha" > date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:32:47 -0700 > > how do you write a superprocedure called multi.poly :nsides > using the make command to create a drawing of five embedded > regular polygons: a triangle, a square, a pentagon, a > hexagon, and a heptagon? From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Mon Feb 23 23:16:56 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Daniel Ajoy) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 18:16:56 -0500 Subject: [MWForum] multi.poly In-Reply-To: <403A34DD.11652.B13C5@localhost> References: <20040223191032.67781.qmail@web20601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <403A4398.22736.44A0F7@localhost> --Message-Boundary-29141 Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body
Hi Alisha,

What about this:

to multi.poly :nsides
clean pd

make "sides 3

repeat :nsides - 2 [
  poly     make "sides :sides + 1
]

end

to poly
repeat :sides [forward 60 right 360 / :sides]
end


and then try:

multi.poly 7


graphic

or

multi.poly 20

graphic



Daniel
OpenWorld Learning



> from: "Alisha" <sunfirealisha@hotmail.com>
> date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:32:47 -0700
>
> how do you write a superprocedure called multi.poly :nsides
> using the make command to create a drawing of five embedded
> regular polygons: a triangle, a square, a pentagon, a
> hexagon, and a heptagon?
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the list working smoothly? Message-ID: Hi Folks, There may be a few kinks in the MW Forum list delivery system. One subscriber told me he has not received any postings for weeks. Twenty minutes ago I sent a message to the list that did not appear in my inbox or in the archives. But the most recent message in the archives is dated Feb. 26, 16:00 hours (a time which we'll not see in the U.S. for some hours yet) and it is written by Jeff Knope in reply to a November posting which he says was written "a few days ago." I have no idea why a message he wrote in November might appear in the February archive and seems not to have arrived in our inboxes. I do apologize if any messages you've sent have not been distributed to the list or if you've not received some posted messages. Please let me know off-list (mailto:wpetti@mathcats.com) if you've experienced either of these difficulties. Thanks, Wendy Petti MWForum moderator From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Thu Feb 26 06:40:44 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Wendy Petti) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 01:40:44 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]turning teachers on to MW - the graphics are great! In-Reply-To: <20040223191032.67781.qmail@web20601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Folks, Recently on this list, Tony Wilson was asking about an easy way to use MW to run an automatic slideshow. He mentioned during that dialogue, "I am trying to push Microworlds amongst the staff and if it is too much of a bother they will want to use a media player or powerpoint. I am hoping the kids can see the value and power of programming." I think many of us have found ourselves in that same situation. We might be the lone MicroWorlds enthusiast on staff or we might be one of a small core group of MW enthusiasts, and we might be looking for ways to get more teachers excited about and comfortable with MicroWorlds even if they have no background or interest in programming. It's one thing to teach our students some programming, but I never got anywhere with trying to teach programming to my colleagues. But I did find many ways to promote the use of MicroWorlds by less tech-savvy teachers, even though they continued to need some hand-holding and encouragement. I'll share a few ideas here, more later, and I hope some of you will share ideas that have been well-received at your schools. The focus in this message is on the graphics capabilities of MicroWorlds. At my former school, we had a very limited set of software installed on our computers: MicroWorlds 2.0_ and Microsoft Office (Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Access - which we steered clear of for the most part) and also MSWorks. And then of course there were the programs that come with Windows, such as Paint and Internet Explorer. (I hated Paint and much preferred the graphics capabilities of MicroWorlds.) I became a huge fan of using MicroWorlds for all of our graphics needs, and I continue to use MicroWorlds for generating all of the graphics on my Math Cats website. In 3 1/2 years of developing that site, I have felt little or no need to shell out $$ for a more advanced graphics application. We've already seen how MW can easily be used to assemble an automatic slideshow of external JPEG or GIF files (as well as other graphics formats). Here's how I often use MW to create and edit artwork: Let's say I'm drawing a new cat for Math Cats. I use the circle/oval tool to make the basic head shape, then erase a bit and add ears. Next I draw one eye. I want the other eye to be a mirror image of the first, so I surround the first eye and copy and paste it into a shape. I open that shape and use the mirror image button to reverse the eye, then I surround that eye with the selection tool and copy it. I close that shape and paste the selected area into the cat's head. (I've used this partial mirror-image technique in lots of Math Cats projects, such as the Symmetrical Butterflies craft project: http://www.mathcats.com/crafts/symbutterflies.html.) I often use the fat bits editor (I click and drag with the selection tool then double-click inside the selected area) to get an enlarged view which I can edit pixel by pixel. I love that I can select the desired magnification with MW Pro. I copy and paste my finished cat into a shape, then I open the shape and click and drag its boundaries to crop the image closely so that I don't have any unnecessary white space around it. (This works much better in MW Pro than in MW 2.0_, for we can easily select any shape dimensions with Pro but cannot fine-tune the dimensions as much with MW 2.0_.) (I love storing graphics in the shapes center. Often I make multiple copies of a newly-drawn shape and then edit them to get variations - arms and legs in different positions; merging one graphic with another; etc.) Next I use the SAVESHAPE command (in the command center) to save my new shape as an external GIF file (or if I've cropped a photo or combined a photo with a cartoon-like drawing, I might save it as a JPEG file). Example: saveshape "orangecat.gif 17 where 17 is the number of the shape I'm saving as an external file. Now one thing to bear in mind is that a white background in a shape is transparent when used within a MicroWorlds project, but it appears as solid white when used outside MicroWorlds. If I want a transparent background for this external graphics file, I need to use another application to do this. (I used to use the drawing tools of Word to make one color transparent; I would import the graphics file, use the transparency tool to make one color transparent, then save the Word document as a web page, and in newly-generated folder accompanying the web page I would find two files, one of which was the new graphics file I needed with the transparent background.) But it is much easier to use the free Irfanview graphics viewing-editing application (www.irfanview.com) to make a transparent color; read on "transparency" in the help index to find out how. All of the graphics for Math Cats' Polygon Playground (www.mathcats.com/explore/polygons.html) and Tessellation Town (www.mathcats.com/explore/tessellationtown.html) were created with MWPro (with the help of another application for making transparent backgrounds). I combined MW Logo programming with the graphics tools to generate all of the colored polygon outlines. It is very easy to create tessellating puzzle pieces with MicroWorlds, when you copy and paste wiggly lines to form matching pairs on both sides of an altered quadrilateral (for instance). My students used to love creating tessellations with MicroWorlds. I used the rotation tool in the shapes editor to create right-side-up and upside-down triangle people. (Of course, first I created the original equilateral triangles with Logo commands.) To make very precise tessellating ocean waves I used MW Logo programming to draw the original curves and then I used the graphics tools to color the wave puzzle pieces and the coordinating fish puzzle pieces. For an example of a graphic combining a photo with a cartoon-like drawing and using a transparent background, see my self-portrait at www.mathcats.com/grownupcats.html. I used the graphics tools of MWPro to erase the background of the photo, first outlining carefully around my head (first with a white fine line tool or eraser and then with the fatter lines and with white rectangles). Then I put my head into a MicroWorlds shape, opened the shape and chose a good magnification, and drew a little cat perched on my shoulder. I saved this as a GIF image and then used Irfanview to make the white background transparent. It was fun and easy to create this composite image using MWPro. My students used to love drawing cartoon bodies under their photo heads and then animating their bodies to dance or leap or do jumping jacks or whatever. You can see examples in the "Animate Me" folder at the MicroWorlds in Action site: http://mia.openworldlearning.org/animate_me/animate_me.htm They enjoyed importing each other's cartoon-body images and using these characters in multimedia stories which they wrote using MicroWorlds textboxes. Even first-graders could do this, if we didn't worry about writing procedures to create animations. The "Animated Story" MIA folder demonstrates how even stationary characters can be used to make textboxes appear or to navigate to different project pages: http://mia.openworldlearning.org/animated_story/animated_story.htm We used to use the graphics capabilities of MW combined with textboxes to create many multimedia social studies projects. It was nice sometimes to incorporate some programmed animations, but if we are trying to get more teachers comfortable with using MicroWorlds, we can encourage them to combine static graphics and text as a first step. I also created an "empty book" project which already had empty textboxes and navigation arrows and plenty of pages already set up (another version generated pages automatically as needed, complete with new textboxes and programmed navigation arrows). It had a title page; the student just needed to type the title and author in the preformatted textboxes. It also had a planning page where students could list their characters, make note of any references, do some brainstorming, etc. I much preferred using MW for creating multimedia projects in this way rather than PowerPoint or HyperStudio, because this way we could keep the focus on generating meaningful content. With PowerPoint or HyperStudio, students begin to get too distracted by the formatting decisions before they've developed their content. With MicroWorlds, it is easy to start with a bare-bones text box and then gradually add the bells and whistles after the text is written. I will try to locate this empty book project and a few other useful template projects and share them soon with this list. I hope you'll find some of these ideas useful... and if you've managed to read to the end of this message, I congratulate you heartily! Wendy Petti MicroWorlds in Action http://mia.openworldlearning.org Math Cats http://www.mathcats.com From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Thu Feb 26 08:10:22 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Wendy Petti) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 03:10:22 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]how much MW homework help should this list provide? Message-ID: Hi again Folks, My backlogged messages have finally gotten posted to the list, so now I will raise another topic. Recently the list was asked for help in creating a set of nested polygons of different numbers of sides. I wondered to myself if this was a class assignment. We've received an almost identical (but more detailed) request for help from another student. This message was posted by a non-member and I've deferred on deciding whether or not to post it because I wanted to send this cautionary note first. I think we need to be careful to find the right balance between being helpful and being *too* helpful. When a teacher is asking for help - we help! If a student is asking for help - we coach! We can give some helpful hints or help the student get started by giving one sample procedure, perhaps... but we should not go on to complete the entire assignment, if we have any suspicions that the request is an assignment. We are not doing the student any favors if we complete the whole project for him or her. It is fine to ask questions to clarify what is the driving force behind the request before providing assistance. It is fine to ask a student to send a partially-completed project or a set of procedures so we can see what (if anything) he or she has been able to do so far. It is fine to point the student to pertinent online resources; for instance, there is a polygons folder of projects at the MicroWorlds in Action website. Thanks in advance for keeping alert to homework help requests and handling them with care. Wendy Petti MWForum moderator OWL's MicroWorlds in Action http://mia.openworldlearning.org Math Cats http://www.mathcats.com From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Thu Feb 26 17:11:37 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Mikula Family) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 09:11:37 -0800 Subject: [MWForum]turning teachers on to MW - the graphics are great! References: Message-ID: <403E28C8.3D067A32@Mikula.org> --------------3A26E448B6F3B126FB534C76 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What a great lesson on MW graphics! I use (and love) AppleWorks Paint. It is fun to take any of the graphics that come with AppleWorks or can be inserted in its paint program and turn them into shapes in MW. One great activity by 4th/5th graders for first graders was to take a copy of a scene from Once Upon a Time and use it as a bacground in MW, draw a maze on it and customize the turtle shape. The big kids loved making the mazes and the little kids learned to "drive" the turtle. Other than a screen capture, I am not sure how to capture/copy/paste a shape from MW into AppleWorks. Sometimes MW has the perfect graphic to accompany a story written in AW word processing. Is the following true? Graphics can become shapes but shapes are not graphics?? BTW, you once asked what changes would be helpful. A lasso tool would be nice, now that we are discussing graphics. Looking forward to your presentation mode lesson. Wendy Petti wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Recently on this list, Tony Wilson was asking about an easy way to use MW to > run an automatic slideshow. He mentioned during that dialogue, "I am trying > to push Microworlds amongst the staff and if it is too much of a bother they > will want to use a media player or powerpoint. I am hoping the kids can see > the value and power of programming." > > I think many of us have found ourselves in that same situation. We might be > the lone MicroWorlds enthusiast on staff or we might be one of a small core > group of MW enthusiasts, and we might be looking for ways to get more > teachers excited about and comfortable with MicroWorlds even if they have no > background or interest in programming. It's one thing to teach our students > some programming, but I never got anywhere with trying to teach programming > to my colleagues. > > But I did find many ways to promote the use of MicroWorlds by less > tech-savvy teachers, even though they continued to need some hand-holding > and encouragement. I'll share a few ideas here, more later, and I hope some > of you will share ideas that have been well-received at your schools. > > The focus in this message is on the graphics capabilities of MicroWorlds. > > At my former school, we had a very limited set of software installed on our > computers: MicroWorlds 2.0_ and Microsoft Office (Word, Excel, PowerPoint, > Access - which we steered clear of for the most part) and also MSWorks. And > then of course there were the programs that come with Windows, such as Paint > and Internet Explorer. (I hated Paint and much preferred the graphics > capabilities of MicroWorlds.) > > I became a huge fan of using MicroWorlds for all of our graphics needs, and > I continue to use MicroWorlds for generating all of the graphics on my Math > Cats website. In 3 1/2 years of developing that site, I have felt little or > no need to shell out $$ for a more advanced graphics application. > > We've already seen how MW can easily be used to assemble an automatic > slideshow of external JPEG or GIF files (as well as other graphics formats). > Here's how I often use MW to create and edit artwork: > > Let's say I'm drawing a new cat for Math Cats. I use the circle/oval tool > to make the basic head shape, then erase a bit and add ears. Next I draw > one eye. I want the other eye to be a mirror image of the first, so I > surround the first eye and copy and paste it into a shape. I open that > shape and use the mirror image button to reverse the eye, then I surround > that eye with the selection tool and copy it. I close that shape and paste > the selected area into the cat's head. (I've used this partial mirror-image > technique in lots of Math Cats projects, such as the Symmetrical Butterflies > craft project: http://www.mathcats.com/crafts/symbutterflies.html.) > > I often use the fat bits editor (I click and drag with the selection tool > then double-click inside the selected area) to get an enlarged view which I > can edit pixel by pixel. I love that I can select the desired magnification > with MW Pro. I copy and paste my finished cat into a shape, then I open the > shape and click and drag its boundaries to crop the image closely so that I > don't have any unnecessary white space around it. (This works much better > in MW Pro than in MW 2.0_, for we can easily select any shape dimensions > with Pro but cannot fine-tune the dimensions as much with MW 2.0_.) > > (I love storing graphics in the shapes center. Often I make multiple copies > of a newly-drawn shape and then edit them to get variations - arms and legs > in different positions; merging one graphic with another; etc.) > > Next I use the SAVESHAPE command (in the command center) to save my new > shape as an external GIF file (or if I've cropped a photo or combined a > photo with a cartoon-like drawing, I might save it as a JPEG file). > Example: > > saveshape "orangecat.gif 17 > > where 17 is the number of the shape I'm saving as an external file. > > Now one thing to bear in mind is that a white background in a shape is > transparent when used within a MicroWorlds project, but it appears as solid > white when used outside MicroWorlds. If I want a transparent background for > this external graphics file, I need to use another application to do this. > (I used to use the drawing tools of Word to make one color transparent; I > would import the graphics file, use the transparency tool to make one color > transparent, then save the Word document as a web page, and in > newly-generated folder accompanying the web page I would find two files, one > of which was the new graphics file I needed with the transparent > background.) But it is much easier to use the free Irfanview graphics > viewing-editing application (www.irfanview.com) to make a transparent color; > read on "transparency" in the help index to find out how. > > All of the graphics for Math Cats' Polygon Playground > (www.mathcats.com/explore/polygons.html) and Tessellation Town > (www.mathcats.com/explore/tessellationtown.html) were created with MWPro > (with the help of another application for making transparent backgrounds). > I combined MW Logo programming with the graphics tools to generate all of > the colored polygon outlines. It is very easy to create tessellating puzzle > pieces with MicroWorlds, when you copy and paste wiggly lines to form > matching pairs on both sides of an altered quadrilateral (for instance). My > students used to love creating tessellations with MicroWorlds. I used the > rotation tool in the shapes editor to create right-side-up and upside-down > triangle people. (Of course, first I created the original equilateral > triangles with Logo commands.) To make very precise tessellating ocean > waves I used MW Logo programming to draw the original curves and then I used > the graphics tools to color the wave puzzle pieces and the coordinating fish > puzzle pieces. > > For an example of a graphic combining a photo with a cartoon-like drawing > and using a transparent background, see my self-portrait at > www.mathcats.com/grownupcats.html. I used the graphics tools of MWPro to > erase the background of the photo, first outlining carefully around my head > (first with a white fine line tool or eraser and then with the fatter lines > and with white rectangles). Then I put my head into a MicroWorlds shape, > opened the shape and chose a good magnification, and drew a little cat > perched on my shoulder. I saved this as a GIF image and then used Irfanview > to make the white background transparent. It was fun and easy to create > this composite image using MWPro. > > My students used to love drawing cartoon bodies under their photo heads and > then animating their bodies to dance or leap or do jumping jacks or > whatever. You can see examples in the "Animate Me" folder at the > MicroWorlds in Action site: > http://mia.openworldlearning.org/animate_me/animate_me.htm > They enjoyed importing each other's cartoon-body images and using these > characters in multimedia stories which they wrote using MicroWorlds > textboxes. Even first-graders could do this, if we didn't worry about > writing procedures to create animations. The "Animated Story" MIA folder > demonstrates how even stationary characters can be used to make textboxes > appear or to navigate to different project pages: > http://mia.openworldlearning.org/animated_story/animated_story.htm > > We used to use the graphics capabilities of MW combined with textboxes to > create many multimedia social studies projects. It was nice sometimes to > incorporate some programmed animations, but if we are trying to get more > teachers comfortable with using MicroWorlds, we can encourage them to > combine static graphics and text as a first step. > > I also created an "empty book" project which already had empty textboxes and > navigation arrows and plenty of pages already set up (another version > generated pages automatically as needed, complete with new textboxes and > programmed navigation arrows). It had a title page; the student just needed > to type the title and author in the preformatted textboxes. It also had a > planning page where students could list their characters, make note of any > references, do some brainstorming, etc. > > I much preferred using MW for creating multimedia projects in this way > rather than PowerPoint or HyperStudio, because this way we could keep the > focus on generating meaningful content. With PowerPoint or HyperStudio, > students begin to get too distracted by the formatting decisions before > they've developed their content. With MicroWorlds, it is easy to start with > a bare-bones text box and then gradually add the bells and whistles after > the text is written. > > I will try to locate this empty book project and a few other useful template > projects and share them soon with this list. > > I hope you'll find some of these ideas useful... and if you've managed to > read to the end of this message, I congratulate you heartily! > > Wendy Petti > MicroWorlds in Action > http://mia.openworldlearning.org > Math Cats > http://www.mathcats.com > > _______________________________________________ > MWForum mailing list > MWForum@lists.mathcats.com > http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum > Attachments archived at: > http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html > To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact > mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com --------------3A26E448B6F3B126FB534C76 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What a great lesson on MW graphics! I use (and love) AppleWorks Paint. It is fun to take any of the graphics that come with AppleWorks or can be inserted in its paint program and turn them into shapes in MW.  One great activity by 4th/5th graders for first graders was to take a copy of a scene from Once Upon a Time and use it as a bacground in MW, draw a maze on it and customize the turtle shape. The big kids loved making the mazes and the little kids learned to "drive" the turtle.

Other than a screen capture, I am not sure how to capture/copy/paste a shape from MW into AppleWorks. Sometimes MW has the perfect graphic to accompany a story written in AW word processing. Is the following true?
Graphics can become shapes but shapes are not graphics??

BTW, you once asked what changes would be helpful. A lasso tool would be nice, now that we are discussing graphics.

Looking forward to your presentation mode lesson.

Wendy Petti wrote:

Hi Folks,

Recently on this list, Tony Wilson was asking about an easy way to use MW to
run an automatic slideshow.  He mentioned during that dialogue, "I am trying
to push Microworlds amongst the staff and if it is too much of a bother they
will want to use a media player or powerpoint.  I am hoping the kids can see
the value and power of programming."

I think many of us have found ourselves in that same situation.  We might be
the lone MicroWorlds enthusiast on staff or we might be one of a small core
group of MW enthusiasts, and we might be looking for ways to get more
teachers excited about and comfortable with MicroWorlds even if they have no
background or interest in programming.  It's one thing to teach our students
some programming, but I never got anywhere with trying to teach programming
to my colleagues.

But I did find many ways to promote the use of MicroWorlds by less
tech-savvy teachers, even though they continued to need some hand-holding
and encouragement.  I'll share a few ideas here, more later, and I hope some
of you will share ideas that have been well-received at your schools.

The focus in this message is on the graphics capabilities of MicroWorlds.

At my former school, we had a very limited set of software installed on our
computers:  MicroWorlds 2.0_ and Microsoft Office (Word, Excel, PowerPoint,
Access - which we steered clear of for the most part) and also MSWorks.  And
then of course there were the programs that come with Windows, such as Paint
and Internet Explorer. (I hated Paint and much preferred the graphics
capabilities of MicroWorlds.)

I became a huge fan of using MicroWorlds for all of our graphics needs, and
I continue to use MicroWorlds for generating all of the graphics on my Math
Cats website.  In 3 1/2 years of developing that site, I have felt little or
no need to shell out $$ for a more advanced graphics application.

We've already seen how MW can easily be used to assemble an automatic
slideshow of external JPEG or GIF files (as well as other graphics formats).
Here's how I often use MW to create and edit artwork:

Let's say I'm drawing a new cat for Math Cats.  I use the circle/oval tool
to make the basic head shape, then erase a bit and add ears.  Next I draw
one eye.  I want the other eye to be a mirror image of the first, so I
surround the first eye and copy and paste it into a shape.  I open that
shape and use the mirror image button to reverse the eye, then I surround
that eye with the selection tool and copy it.  I close that shape and paste
the selected area into the cat's head.  (I've used this partial mirror-image
technique in lots of Math Cats projects, such as the Symmetrical Butterflies
craft project:  http://www.mathcats.com/crafts/symbutterflies.html.)

I often use the fat bits editor (I click and drag with the selection tool
then double-click inside the selected area) to get an enlarged view which I
can edit pixel by pixel.  I love that I can select the desired magnification
with MW Pro.  I copy and paste my finished cat into a shape, then I open the
shape and click and drag its boundaries to crop the image closely so that I
don't have any unnecessary white space around it.  (This works much better
in MW Pro than in MW 2.0_, for we can easily select any shape dimensions
with Pro but cannot fine-tune the dimensions as much with MW 2.0_.)

(I love storing graphics in the shapes center.  Often I make multiple copies
of a newly-drawn shape and then edit them to get variations - arms and legs
in different positions; merging one graphic with another; etc.)

Next I use the SAVESHAPE command (in the command center) to save my new
shape as an external GIF file (or if I've cropped a photo or combined a
photo with a cartoon-like drawing, I might save it as a JPEG file).
Example:

saveshape "orangecat.gif 17

where 17 is the number of the shape I'm saving as an external file.

Now one thing to bear in mind is that a white background in a shape is
transparent when used within a MicroWorlds project, but it appears as solid
white when used outside MicroWorlds.  If I want a transparent background for
this external graphics file, I need to use another application to do this.
(I used to use the drawing tools of Word to make one color transparent; I
would import the graphics file, use the transparency tool to make one color
transparent, then save the Word document as a web page, and in
newly-generated folder accompanying the web page I would find two files, one
of which was the new graphics file I needed with the transparent
background.)  But it is much easier to use the free Irfanview graphics
viewing-editing application (www.irfanview.com) to make a transparent color;
read on "transparency" in the help index to find out how.

All of the graphics for Math Cats' Polygon Playground
(www.mathcats.com/explore/polygons.html) and Tessellation Town
(www.mathcats.com/explore/tessellationtown.html) were created with MWPro
(with the help of another application for making transparent backgrounds).
I combined MW Logo programming with the graphics tools to generate all of
the colored polygon outlines.  It is very easy to create tessellating puzzle
pieces with MicroWorlds, when you copy and paste wiggly lines to form
matching pairs on both sides of an altered quadrilateral (for instance).  My
students used to love creating tessellations with MicroWorlds.  I used the
rotation tool in the shapes editor to create right-side-up and upside-down
triangle people.  (Of course, first I created the original equilateral
triangles with Logo commands.)  To make very precise tessellating ocean
waves I used MW Logo programming to draw the original curves and then I used
the graphics tools to color the wave puzzle pieces and the coordinating fish
puzzle pieces.

For an example of a graphic combining a photo with a cartoon-like drawing
and using a transparent background, see my self-portrait at
www.mathcats.com/grownupcats.html.  I used the graphics tools of MWPro to
erase the background of the photo, first outlining carefully around my head
(first with a white fine line tool or eraser and then with the fatter lines
and with white rectangles).  Then I put my head into a MicroWorlds shape,
opened the shape and chose a good magnification, and drew a little cat
perched on my shoulder.  I saved this as a GIF image and then used Irfanview
to make the white background transparent.  It was fun and easy to create
this composite image using MWPro.

My students used to love drawing cartoon bodies under their photo heads and
then animating their bodies to dance or leap or do jumping jacks or
whatever.  You can see examples in the "Animate Me" folder at the
MicroWorlds in Action site:
http://mia.openworldlearning.org/animate_me/animate_me.htm
They enjoyed importing each other's cartoon-body images and using these
characters in multimedia stories which they wrote using MicroWorlds
textboxes.  Even first-graders could do this, if we didn't worry about
writing procedures to create animations.  The "Animated Story" MIA folder
demonstrates how even stationary characters can be used to make textboxes
appear or to navigate to different project pages:
http://mia.openworldlearning.org/animated_story/animated_story.htm

We used to use the graphics capabilities of MW combined with textboxes to
create many multimedia social studies projects.  It was nice sometimes to
incorporate some programmed animations, but if we are trying to get more
teachers comfortable with using MicroWorlds, we can encourage them to
combine static graphics and text as a first step.

I also created an "empty book" project which already had empty textboxes and
navigation arrows and plenty of pages already set up (another version
generated pages automatically as needed, complete with new textboxes and
programmed navigation arrows).  It had a title page; the student just needed
to type the title and author in the preformatted textboxes. It also had a
planning page where students could list their characters, make note of any
references, do some brainstorming, etc.

I much preferred using MW for creating multimedia projects in this way
rather than PowerPoint or HyperStudio, because this way we could keep the
focus on generating meaningful content.  With PowerPoint or HyperStudio,
students begin to get too distracted by the formatting decisions before
they've developed their content.  With MicroWorlds, it is easy to start with
a bare-bones text box and then gradually add the bells and whistles after
the text is written.

I will try to locate this empty book project and a few other useful template
projects and share them soon with this list.

I hope you'll find some of these ideas useful... and if you've managed to
read to the end of this message, I congratulate you heartily!

Wendy Petti
MicroWorlds in Action
http://mia.openworldlearning.org
Math Cats
http://www.mathcats.com

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--------------3A26E448B6F3B126FB534C76-- From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Thu Feb 26 20:17:48 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Lauren Pacini) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 12:17:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [MWForum]how much MW homework help should this list provide? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040226201748.81272.qmail@web20610.mail.yahoo.com> Wendy, Thanks for the pinted post! When I tried to draw out the author of one of those posts to begin an instructive dialogue, another member of this group answered my question for her and then answered her question. Had it been one of my students I would have been less than thrilled. It seems to me that the value of Microworlds is the logical thought processes that it instills. Lauren --- Wendy Petti wrote: > Hi again Folks, > > My backlogged messages have finally gotten posted to > the list, so now I will > raise another topic. Recently the list was asked > for help in creating a set > of nested polygons of different numbers of sides. I > wondered to myself if > this was a class assignment. We've received an > almost identical (but more > detailed) request for help from another student. > This message was posted by > a non-member and I've deferred on deciding whether > or not to post it because > I wanted to send this cautionary note first. > > I think we need to be careful to find the right > balance between being > helpful and being *too* helpful. When a teacher is > asking for help - we > help! If a student is asking for help - we coach! > We can give some helpful > hints or help the student get started by giving one > sample procedure, > perhaps... but we should not go on to complete the > entire assignment, if we > have any suspicions that the request is an > assignment. We are not doing the > student any favors if we complete the whole project > for him or her. > > It is fine to ask questions to clarify what is the > driving force behind the > request before providing assistance. It is fine to > ask a student to send a > partially-completed project or a set of procedures > so we can see what (if > anything) he or she has been able to do so far. It > is fine to point the > student to pertinent online resources; for instance, > there is a polygons > folder of projects at the MicroWorlds in Action > website. > > Thanks in advance for keeping alert to homework help > requests and handling > them with care. > > Wendy Petti > MWForum moderator > OWL's MicroWorlds in Action > http://mia.openworldlearning.org > Math Cats > http://www.mathcats.com > > > _______________________________________________ > MWForum mailing list > MWForum@lists.mathcats.com > http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum > Attachments archived at: > http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html > To unsubscribe or for administrative questions > contact > mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Fri Feb 27 00:27:30 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Daniel Ajoy) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 19:27:30 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]how much MW homework help should this list provide? In-Reply-To: <20040226201748.81272.qmail@web20610.mail.yahoo.com> References: Message-ID: <403E48A2.20935.27FDC7C@localhost> Hi Lauren, I was me who answered your question and the original question, too. I answered your question because you didn't address you question to her, you addressed it to me. I was only forwarding that message to the mwforum list (I shouldn't have signed it, though. My bad) And you didn't sent it to her, you only sent it to the list. As Wendy alerted use a while back, those "ask and expert" questions are submitted from a web form and the submitter often does not belong to the list. I answered the original question because I thought it would be hard to confuse my answer with a program a student might do. This is the code: to multi.poly :nsides clean pd make "sides 3 repeat :nsides - 2 [ poly make "sides :sides + 1 ] end to poly repeat :sides [forward 60 right 360 / :sides] end Things I did different from what is usual are: * "poly" has no inputs * my indentation style * my use forward and right instead of their shortcuts * "repeat :nsides - 2" instead of recursion I submitted such a strange program because the requirements were strange. They were strange enough that I thought only a teacher and her student would know what the teacher expected from the student. And if the student didn't know what the teacher was expecting, I think it would be good if the student shows the teacher my program because then the teacher _would_ know that the student didn't get what the teacher was expecting. Daniel On 26 Feb 2004 at 12:17, Lauren Pacini wrote: > Wendy, > > Thanks for the pinted post! When I tried to draw out > the author of one of those posts to begin an > instructive dialogue, another member of this group > answered my question for her and then answered her > question. Had it been one of my students I would have > been less than thrilled. It seems to me that the value > of Microworlds is the logical thought processes that > it instills. > > Lauren > From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Fri Feb 27 01:12:04 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Wendy Petti) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 20:12:04 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]how much MW homework help should this list provide? In-Reply-To: <403E48A2.20935.27FDC7C@localhost> Message-ID: I think that Lauren's remark is the most pertinent thing for us to keep in mind here: > On 26 Feb 2004 at 12:17, Lauren Pacini wrote: > > It seems to me that the value > > of Microworlds is the logical thought processes that > > it instills. Daniel, thanks for explaining your reasoning; I understand your intentions, but our purpose is not to provide unconventional solutions to class assignments. If this student is puzzled and seeking help, I think we'll want to give the student a handle to begin to grasp a solution. Perhaps the student does not know or understand that the turtle ends up turning 360 degrees in all while drawing a polygon. That knowledge is fundamental to understanding most polygon-drawing procedures. We do not know how must information was presented in class and how much the student is expected to deduce. Also, please realize that we do not need to help everyone who asks for help, especially if they are not willing to participate in a dialogue. If we ask a few questions to determine what background knowledge and preparation they have, and if they do not reply, we do not need to bother ourselves with providing further help. (And if they do reply, we can provide more relevant help rather than guessing blindly at the student's difficulty.) But when we are providing help, let's aim to cultivate those logical thought processes ... with MicroWorlds, with students, it is the process we should be caring about more than the product. Wendy From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Fri Feb 27 05:51:14 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (mwforum@lists.mathcats.com) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:51:14 -0800 Subject: [MWForum]turning teachers on to MW - the graphics are great! In-Reply-To: <403E28C8.3D067A32@Mikula.org> Message-ID: On Thursday, February 26, 2004, at 09:11 AM, Mikula Family wrote: > > Other than a screen capture, I am not sure how to capture/copy/paste a > shape from MW into AppleWorks. Sometimes MW has the perfect graphic to > accompany a story written in AW word processing. Is the following > true? > Graphics can become shapes but shapes are not graphics?? > It works both ways for me although I've never pasted into the AW paint program. You can click once on a shapes box to select it, then go to Edit and choose copy, then go to AppleWorks and paste it into a word processing document or a drawing document. Most of the computers in my room don't have enough RAM to run MW Pro, so we use MW 2.05 on those older computers. In version 2 you can't rotate shapes except by 90 degree increments. So my students copy the MW shape and paste it into AW draw where it can be rotated at any angle. Then the graphic can be copied from AW and pasted back into a MW shapes box. This way my students can do an animation with an airplane take off or land at a more reasonable 20 or 30 degree angle rather than 90 degrees. -John John St. Clair Global SchoolNet Foundation john.stclair@verizon.net www.gsn.org Vina Danks Middle School LogoForum moderator Teacher of Logo and Lego groups.yahoo.com/group/logoforum From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Fri Feb 27 07:22:08 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Wendy Petti) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 02:22:08 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]turning teachers on to MW - the graphics are great! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Is the following true? > > Graphics can become shapes but shapes are not graphics?? > It works both ways for me ... Yes, shapes are graphics; John has described a copy-and-paste for transferring graphics between MW and a graphics program; and in my original post in this thread, I described how to turn MW shapes into external GIF or JPEG files (or other graphics formats) using the SAVESHAPE command; that's another demonstration that shapes are graphics. John's method is more efficient for transferring a MW shape directly into another graphics program, though. Wendy From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Fri Feb 27 08:49:20 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Steve Robson) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 08:49:20 +0000 Subject: [MWForum]turning teachers on to MW - the graphics are great! Message-ID:

...and another thought! If you want some good graphics for turtle shapes, you can search the 'net (with appropriate care) and locate a web page graphic which can be copied and pasted to the shape centre. The tumbnails in Google image search are ofetn a useful size, and if the search is made for gif files only, the background is often white.

Just a thought.

Steve

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 02:22:08 -0500
> > Is the following true?
> > Graphics can become shapes but shapes are not graphics??
> It works both ways for me ...
Yes, shapes are graphics; John has described a copy-and-paste for
transferring graphics between MW and a graphics program; and in my original
post in this thread, I described how to turn MW shapes into external GIF or
JPEG files (or other graphics formats) using the SAVESHAPE command; that's
another demonstration that shapes are graphics.  John's method is more
efficient for transferring a MW shape directly into another graphics
program, though.
Wendy
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Half price modem, FREE connection and one month FREE - click here to sign up to BT Broadband. From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Fri Feb 27 18:03:34 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Lauren Pacini) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:03:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [MWForum]how much MW homework help should this list provide? In-Reply-To: <403E48A2.20935.27FDC7C@localhost> Message-ID: <20040227180334.50278.qmail@web20602.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks, Daniel, now I understand. The teacher in me always answers a question with a question. I did not realize the part about the off-list posts. Lauren --- Daniel Ajoy wrote: > Hi Lauren, > > I was me who answered your question and the original > question, too. > > I answered your question because you didn't address > you > question to her, you addressed it to me. I was only > forwarding that message to the mwforum list > (I shouldn't have signed it, though. My bad) > > And you didn't sent it to her, you only sent it to > the list. > As Wendy alerted use a while back, those "ask and > expert" > questions are submitted from a web form and the > submitter > often does not belong to the list. > > I answered the original question because I thought > it would be hard to confuse my answer with a program > > a student might do. > > This is the code: > > to multi.poly :nsides > clean pd > > make "sides 3 > > repeat :nsides - 2 [ > poly make "sides :sides + 1 > ] > > end > > to poly > repeat :sides [forward 60 right 360 / :sides] > end > > > Things I did different from what is usual are: > > * "poly" has no inputs > * my indentation style > * my use forward and right instead of their > shortcuts > * "repeat :nsides - 2" instead of recursion > > I submitted such a strange program because the > requirements were strange. They were strange enough > that I thought only a teacher and her student would > know what the teacher expected from the student. And > if > the student didn't know what the teacher was > expecting, > I think it would be good if the student shows the > teacher my program because then the teacher _would_ > know that the student didn't get what the teacher > was > expecting. > > Daniel > > > On 26 Feb 2004 at 12:17, Lauren Pacini wrote: > > > Wendy, > > > > Thanks for the pinted post! When I tried to draw > out > > the author of one of those posts to begin an > > instructive dialogue, another member of this group > > answered my question for her and then answered her > > question. Had it been one of my students I would > have > > been less than thrilled. It seems to me that the > value > > of Microworlds is the logical thought processes > that > > it instills. > > > > Lauren > > > > _______________________________________________ > MWForum mailing list > MWForum@lists.mathcats.com > http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum > Attachments archived at: > http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html > To unsubscribe or for administrative questions > contact > mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Fri Feb 27 21:22:47 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Harvey Bornfield) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 14:22:47 -0700 Subject: [MWForum]turning teachers on to MW - the graphics are great! In-Reply-To: References: <403E28C8.3D067A32@Mikula.org> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20040227081529.00b52098@pop.earthlink.net> --=====================_22647635==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed John: Why resort to importing and exporting shapes to render them into more subtle degrees of "twist", than is available under MW2, when it's possible to achieve from within MW2. You can exploit the almost arcane colorunder function to achieve all the shape rotation you need. The game plan is to appoint a turtle a sponge, place it at the upper left (or any corner) of a square (or rectangular) matrix of any graphics area, using manual or given slider-determined parameters. Then you ship him off, courtesy of a loop embedded within a loop, to sweep up an entire graphics area imprinted in a stamped turtle shape. One dot at a time, and a little help from lput, and you stash a list, appending for each pixel-by-pixel stopover, the color number of the "dot next door", which then can be sprayed back out in a variety of ways, even "aerated" or distorted. Then, to effect said enchantment, hmmm............(this is going to be a difficult one! : ) ), get out your Harry Potter wand, issue the "Pen Up" spell, relocate the turtle to a blank foreign land on your project, or create CAREFULLY, a new page under program control called "backstage" to do this.... Continuing on Relocate the turtle to the place where its going to appear twisted, do a pendown, and a hide turtle (speeds up writes), and reusing the same sponge routine loop structure that captured the dots, in overtime innings, parachute the entire list of colorunder dots back down on the blank area, at the desired tilt you want.......... then, Harry_Potter it again, (the verb, to Harry_Potter) or if wand in drydock, as a dire, fevery alternative use as a last resort , a Snapshape command....... :) ........ If you created a procedure called "Reserve , it would be possible to automate depositing a whole series of twisted rotations in contiguous shape locations. The advantage of using such a home home-spun routine, is that you can dish out the task to your students in components and have a project created collaboratively. Of course when you spray back out the dots, there is nothing to prevent you from creating all kinds of interesting graphical effects, such as "ghosting", rescaling, tinting or opaque'ng (subtract or add one or more to the colorunder number as you spray it out), and of course, if you're using alphabet letters as shapes, employing rotations to achieve writing along bezier curves. Move over, Adobe illustrator! All sophisticated jousts for advanced MW students and future Microworlds teachers, Master's theses in architectural design, Yes, sounds like I've already done this, as though we wrote the routines to work in 2.0 before Pro appeared. Guilty as charged. Nonetheless, in giving away even these traces of "How to" I feel guilty of "violating my vows as a constructionist" blurting out such virtually self-evident strategies. It's not that one is reluctant to share them, but as Wendi so vocally just points out, the Microworlds forum exists primarily to champion sparking imagination and self-guidance modalities where the dividing line between learning and adventure, far from the code-blue solemnity of schools, is happily blurred. To sketch, to enable brainstorming, to hint as alternatives, to translate these into creatively visualizable algorithms, all this lives, thriving at the heart of the constructionist stream, and makes an antidote to all suffocating "My size fits all" forms of pedagogy. That's afterall the unconscious reenactment of the same error which underwrites the compulsive-obsessive norms-based assessments, and the chimpanzee rote through which cringing teachers are asked to offer their noble talents in fear-based theaters. Socratic Inquiry, (Alas, also Socratic Hemlock!) that dissolves of us from the redneck Neanderthal assembly line models of education, replaced by the not-too-obvious, ever emerging art of morphing questions into quest, of which we here all share an important part, rudders, indeed "destinys" (the verb, to destiny) all constructionist intent. We shall explicate with a recreational Jihad: (skip down below the next segment to omit this) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What we DON'T need is a barrage of short-order cook solutions to project-authoring challenges when we, as aspiring teachers really owe our students something more, which would be providing robust and ongoing exposure to wrestling with thinking and architectural processes which underlie software authoring. To regard as a good educational path the sourcing of question/answer formats alone, to continue to enthusiastically embrace them as viable, worthy, acceptable ways to facilitate the kind of 'trial-and-error-inspired' exploration which creates quality Chefs is, IMHO, am altogether strange distraction. The whole Crux of the Jihad's this: The notion of the "Ask a gunslinger" mode of QA, like presidential press conferences which aren't geared to open dialogue, but to decree, pronouncement, policy and similar excuses for interaction, reminds me of the wonderful opening to the mythopoetic one-of-a-kind western "Quigley Down Under", which we'll use as a parable: Quigley (Tom Selleck), a strong, yet altogether modest Zorro-level hero imported from Dodge City, because he possesses the longest-range rifle in the world, responding to an ad, hired, pending the display of his prowess to a wealthy and vastly prejudiced Australian ranch owner, Marsten (played by the Connoisseur's Evil Heavy Alan Rickman), discovers that Rickman has placed him on the payroll for morally unacceptable reasons, - in order to kill Aboriginals in Australia. Now to be able to supply brilliant, and completely turnkey programming code in one-day turnaround, in short-order marksmanship mode is altogether awesome and bladed to behold, and it is applaudable to know that there are Microworlds Kings on tap to perk the ambience here with such adeptness of software "thrill'n'(s)kill" yet, after all the sizzling flamboyance, like anaesthesia to our real purpose wears off, we realize that the Indiana Jones / James Bond mentality bears a double-O license, and indeed murders the principles of constructionism, leading both students and other innocents into a consumer scenario of "I have what you need", rather than "Let me share with you not the knowledge which I possess, but rather what kinds of questions which need to be asked and what priorities are best acquired in order to become a teacher, which is much more difficult than a doer. (Herein lies the secret of the elevation and healing of the world) The Western continues: And not too long after Matthew Quigley demonstrates his most adept "William-Tell-like G5-apple-splitting marksmanship" on innocent beer cans barely visible to the mortals, upon discovering he is a vassal of a man who has an ruthless agenda, punches out his newfound boss, and soon finds himself straightaway carted out into three days all expenses paid one way excursion, dragged off, terrestrially keel-hauled from a wagon through 110 degree weather, exiled into the parch and blister of the cruel outback with his eventual soul mate, our would be hero, thus appointed makeshift haut cuisine on the 99 cent fast food vulture's menu of central Australia. Returning now to our regularly scheduled meander, attempting to source a solution to what might not be a problem...... (Beethoven's "der Schwer-gefasste Entschloss", Op. 135) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A gesture for solution: So how do we, many of us teachers, for whom the implementation of MW code is tip of the iceberg, at the very least, indeed an almost trivial component of the exercise of higher order thought processes (Say it! Higher Order Thought = Imagination, if our mystical algebra serves us correctly!) , how do we graduate to the next step of online conversation, and supply food for imagination to the kids and teachers here? By which I imply this: Rather than supplying fish, assume the responsibility to carry them forward, teaching them how to fish. Now to address this epic shift in paradigm focus, which challenges especially those several of us who have already put in enough dues in software design to have something more than well-articulated MW source code to share, (which, at the very least, Bornfield stagewhispers to himself would include Daniel, Jeff, Mike, Wendi, Lisa, John, and the lurking Gary Stager (come out and join us!) ), here's a roughhewn notion, I hesitate to call it an idea, which might nonetheless work to the furtherance of constructionist intent within the design and structure of the forum. Send out an online request to all students who are members here, those involved in MW_based classes to supply us with the email address of the teacher under whom they are working. Do this as a condition for continued membership in the MW_Forum. Then e-mail all of the teachers thus referenced, and invite them to make known to us here enclosures of their curriculum or projects and their course guidelines. Ask them what kind and degree of assistance would gracefully interface with their academic objectives, both individual and collaborative. Of course, invite them to "Eavesdrop" on their students!!!!!, by joining the Forum, and posting their challenges nationally. One even envisions, the creation of a most refreshing "Create an Einstein" input, - MW_quests for student online collaborative group discussion, for from such most fair-weathered mindstorms, I see teachers creating and sharing in all phases of development, a barrage of thematic unit templates. This will pave the way for the possible and eventual creation of a smaller inner creativity circle of MW teachers and mentors which we'll call MW_Guru, whose members must be regularly contributing members of MW_Forum in positions of teaching, mentoring or creative and/or technical expertise who amongst themselves function like an online university and can so pose large and long-range ideas which embrace thinking about and acting upon the relationship between educational philosophy and computer projects, sharing them at large with the MW_Forum Target marketing dreams, distant dreams, Quigley's now out of bullets, out of "Fourth of July" for now, and so from bladed-sunlight-gleam and cactus-pierced Tucson, from within small pocket of our own Sonoran Outback, perhaps in an echo, an acupuncture node, in the Southwest, a poor man's "Down Under" bids you all friendly adieu. Warm Regards, Harvey Bornfield www.mythologics.org At 09:51 PM 2/26/2004, you wrote: >On Thursday, February 26, 2004, at 09:11 AM, Mikula Family wrote: > >> >>Other than a screen capture, I am not sure how to capture/copy/paste a >>shape from MW into AppleWorks. Sometimes MW has the perfect graphic to >>accompany a story written in AW word processing. Is the following > true? >>Graphics can become shapes but shapes are not graphics?? > >It works both ways for me although I've never pasted into the AW paint >program. You can click once on a shapes box to select it, then go to Edit >and choose copy, then go to AppleWorks and paste it into a word processing >document or a drawing document. Most of the computers in my room don't >have enough RAM to run MW Pro, so we use MW 2.05 on those older >computers. In version 2 you can't rotate shapes except by 90 degree >increments. So my students copy the MW shape and paste it into AW draw >where it can be rotated at any angle. Then the graphic can be copied from >AW and pasted back into a MW shapes box. This way my students can do an >animation with an airplane take off or land at a more reasonable 20 or 30 >degree angle rather than 90 degrees. > >-John > > >John St. Clair Global SchoolNet Foundation >john.stclair@verizon.net www.gsn.org >Vina Danks Middle School LogoForum moderator >Teacher of Logo and Lego groups.yahoo.com/group/logoforum > >_______________________________________________ >MWForum mailing list >MWForum@lists.mathcats.com >http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum >Attachments archived at: >http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html >To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact >mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com "Music is the one incorporeal entrance into the higher world of knowledge which comprehends mankind, but mankind cannot comprehend." Ludwig van Beethoven --=====================_22647635==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John:
Why resort to importing and exporting shapes to render them into more subtle degrees of "twist", than is available under MW2, when it's possible to achieve from within MW2. You can exploit the almost arcane colorunder function to achieve all the shape rotation you need. The game plan is to appoint a turtle a sponge, place it at the upper left (or any corner) of a square (or rectangular) matrix of any graphics area, using manual or given slider-determined parameters. Then you ship him off, courtesy of a loop embedded within a loop, to sweep up an entire graphics area imprinted in a stamped turtle shape. One dot at a time, and a little help from lput, and you stash a list, appending for each pixel-by-pixel stopover, the color number of the "dot next door", which then can be sprayed back out in a variety of ways, even "aerated" or distorted.

Then, to effect said enchantment,
hmmm............(this is going to be a difficult one! : )  ),
get out your Harry Potter wand, issue the "Pen Up" spell, relocate the turtle to a blank foreign land on your project, or create CAREFULLY, a new page under program control called "backstage" to do this....

Continuing on
Relocate the turtle to the place where its going to appear twisted, do a pendown, and a hide turtle (speeds up writes), and reusing the same sponge routine loop structure that captured the dots, in overtime innings, parachute the entire list of colorunder dots back down on the blank area,
at the desired tilt you want..........

then, Harry_Potter it again, (the verb, to Harry_Potter) or if wand in drydock, as a dire, fevery alternative use as a last resort , a Snapshape command....... :) ........    If you created a procedure called "Reserve <numeric shape list or start-stop number range>, it would be possible to automate depositing a whole series of twisted rotations in contiguous shape locations.

The advantage of using such a home home-spun routine, is that you can dish out the task to your students in components and have a project created collaboratively. Of course when you spray back out the dots, there is nothing to prevent you from creating all kinds of interesting graphical effects, such as "ghosting", rescaling, tinting or opaque'ng (subtract or add one or more to the colorunder number as you spray it out), and of course, if you're using alphabet letters as shapes, employing rotations to achieve writing along bezier curves. Move over, Adobe illustrator! All sophisticated jousts for advanced MW students and future Microworlds teachers, Master's theses in architectural design,


Yes, sounds like I've already done this, as though we wrote the routines to work in 2.0 before Pro appeared. Guilty as charged. Nonetheless, in giving away even these traces of "How to" I feel guilty of "violating my vows as a constructionist" blurting out such virtually self-evident strategies. It's not that one is reluctant to share them, but as Wendi so vocally just points out, the Microworlds forum exists primarily to champion sparking imagination and self-guidance modalities where the dividing line between learning and adventure, far from the code-blue solemnity of schools, is happily blurred. To sketch, to enable brainstorming, to hint as alternatives, to translate these into creatively visualizable algorithms, all this lives, thriving at the heart of the constructionist stream, and makes an antidote to all suffocating "My size fits all" forms of pedagogy. That's afterall the unconscious reenactment of the same error which underwrites the compulsive-obsessive norms-based assessments, and the chimpanzee rote through which cringing teachers are asked to offer their noble talents in fear-based theaters. Socratic Inquiry, (Alas, also Socratic Hemlock!) that dissolves of us from the redneck Neanderthal assembly line models of education, replaced by the not-too-obvious, ever emerging art of morphing questions into quest, of which we here all share an important part, rudders, indeed "destinys" (the verb, to destiny) all constructionist intent.

We shall explicate with a recreational Jihad: (skip down below the next segment to omit this)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------------

What we DON'T need is a barrage of short-order cook solutions to project-authoring challenges when we, as aspiring teachers really owe our students something more, which would be providing robust and ongoing exposure to wrestling with thinking and architectural processes which underlie software authoring. To regard as a good educational path the sourcing of question/answer formats alone, to continue to enthusiastically embrace them as viable, worthy, acceptable ways to facilitate the kind of 'trial-and-error-inspired' exploration which creates quality Chefs is, IMHO, am altogether strange distraction. 

The whole Crux of the Jihad's this:
The notion of the "Ask a gunslinger" mode of QA, like presidential press conferences which aren't geared to open dialogue, but to decree, pronouncement, policy and similar excuses for interaction, reminds me of the wonderful opening to the mythopoetic one-of-a-kind western "Quigley Down Under", which we'll use as a parable:

Quigley (Tom Selleck), a strong, yet altogether modest Zorro-level hero imported from Dodge City, because he possesses the longest-range rifle in the world, responding to an ad, hired, pending the display of his prowess to a wealthy and vastly prejudiced Australian ranch owner, Marsten (played by the Connoisseur's Evil Heavy Alan Rickman), discovers that Rickman has placed him on the payroll for morally unacceptable reasons, - in order to kill Aboriginals in Australia.

Now to be able to supply brilliant, and completely turnkey programming code in one-day turnaround, in short-order marksmanship mode is altogether awesome and bladed to behold, and it is applaudable to know that there are Microworlds Kings on tap to perk the ambience here with such adeptness of software "thrill'n'(s)kill" yet, after all the sizzling flamboyance, like anaesthesia to our real purpose wears off, we realize that the Indiana Jones / James Bond mentality bears a double-O license, and indeed murders the principles of constructionism, leading both students and other innocents into a consumer scenario of "I have what you need", rather than "Let me share with you not the knowledge which I possess, but rather what kinds of questions which need to be asked and what priorities are best acquired in order to become a teacher, which is much more difficult than a doer. (Herein lies the secret of the elevation and healing of the world)
 
The Western continues:
And not too long after Matthew Quigley demonstrates his most adept "William-Tell-like G5-apple-splitting marksmanship" on innocent beer cans barely visible to the mortals, upon discovering he is a vassal of a man who has an ruthless agenda, punches out his newfound boss, and soon finds himself straightaway carted out into three days all expenses paid one way excursion, dragged off, terrestrially keel-hauled from a wagon through 110 degree weather, exiled into the parch and blister of the cruel outback with his eventual soul mate, our would be hero, thus appointed makeshift haut cuisine on the 99 cent fast food vulture's menu of central Australia.


Returning now to our regularly scheduled meander,
attempting to source a solution to what might not be a problem......
(Beethoven's "der Schwer-gefasste Entschloss", Op. 135)


----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------------------------------- A gesture for solution:
So how do we, many of us teachers, for whom the implementation of MW code is tip of the iceberg, at  the very least, indeed an almost trivial component of the exercise of higher order thought processes (Say it! Higher Order Thought  =3D  Imagination, if our mystical algebra serves us correctly!) , how do we graduate to the next step of online conversation, and supply food for imagination to the kids and teachers here? By which I imply this: Rather than supplying fish, assume the responsibility to carry them forward, teaching them how to=20 fish.

Now to address this epic shift in paradigm focus, which challenges especially those several of us who have already put in enough dues in software design to have something more than well-articulated MW source code to share, (which, at the very least, Bornfield stagewhispers to himself would include Daniel, Jeff, Mike, Wendi, Lisa, John, and the lurking Gary Stager (come out and join us!) ), here's a roughhewn notion, I hesitate to call it an idea, which might nonetheless work to the furtherance of constructionist intent within the design and structure of the forum.

Send out an online request to all students who are members here, those involved in MW_based classes to supply us with the email address of the teacher under whom they are working. Do this as a condition for continued membership in the MW_Forum.

Then e-mail all of the teachers thus referenced, and invite them to make known to us here enclosures of their curriculum or projects and their course guidelines. Ask them what kind and degree of assistance would gracefully interface with their academic objectives, both individual and collaborative. Of course, invite them to "Eavesdrop" on their students!!!!!, by joining the Forum, and posting their challenges nationally. One even envisions, the creation of a most refreshing "Create an Einstein" input, - MW_quests for student online collaborative group discussion, for from such most fair-weathered mindstorms, I see teachers creating and sharing in all phases of development, a barrage of thematic unit templates.

This will pave the way for the possible and eventual creation of a smaller inner creativity circle of MW teachers and mentors which we'll call MW_Guru, whose members must be regularly contributing members of MW_Forum in positions of teaching, mentoring or creative and/or technical expertise who amongst themselves function like an online university and can so pose large and long-range ideas which embrace thinking about and acting upon the relationship between educational philosophy and computer projects, sharing them at large with the MW_Forum

Target marketing dreams, distant dreams, Quigley's now out of bullets, out of "Fourth of July" for now, and so from bladed-sunlight-gleam and cactus-pierced Tucson, from within small pocket of our own Sonoran Outback, perhaps in an echo, an acupuncture node, in the Southwest, a poor man's "Down Under" bids you all friendly adieu.

Warm Regards,
Harvey Bornfield
www.mythologics.org




At 09:51 PM 2/26/2004, you wrote:

On Thursday, February 26, 2004, at 09:11 AM, Mikula Family wrote:


Other than a screen capture, I am not sure how to capture/copy/paste a shape from MW into AppleWorks. Sometimes MW has the perfect graphic to accompany a story written in AW word processing. Is the following > true?
Graphics can become shapes but shapes are not graphics??

It works both ways for me although I've never pasted into the AW paint program.  You can click once on a shapes box to select it, then go to Edit and choose copy, then go to AppleWorks and paste it into a word processing document or a drawing document.  Most of the computers in my room don't have enough RAM to run MW Pro, so we use MW 2.05 on those older computers.  In version 2 you can't rotate shapes except by 90 degree increments.  So my students copy the MW shape and paste it into AW draw where it can be rotated at any angle.  Then the graphic can be copied from AW and pasted back into a MW shapes box.  This way my students can do an animation with an airplane take off or land at a more reasonable 20 or 30 degree angle  rather than 90 degrees.

-John


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--=====================_22647635==.ALT-- From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Sat Feb 28 17:23:23 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Ray Catzel) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 12:23:23 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]turning teachers on to MW - the graphics are great! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Are you aware that MicroWorlds EX has a feature to fill in transparent areas? ----ray -----Original Message----- From: mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com [mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com]On Behalf Of Wendy Petti Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 1:41 AM To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Subject: [MWForum]turning teachers on to MW - the graphics are great! Hi Folks, Recently on this list, Tony Wilson was asking about an easy way to use MW to run an automatic slideshow. He mentioned during that dialogue, "I am trying to push Microworlds amongst the staff and if it is too much of a bother they will want to use a media player or powerpoint. I am hoping the kids can see the value and power of programming." I think many of us have found ourselves in that same situation. We might be the lone MicroWorlds enthusiast on staff or we might be one of a small core group of MW enthusiasts, and we might be looking for ways to get more teachers excited about and comfortable with MicroWorlds even if they have no background or interest in programming. It's one thing to teach our students some programming, but I never got anywhere with trying to teach programming to my colleagues. But I did find many ways to promote the use of MicroWorlds by less tech-savvy teachers, even though they continued to need some hand-holding and encouragement. I'll share a few ideas here, more later, and I hope some of you will share ideas that have been well-received at your schools. The focus in this message is on the graphics capabilities of MicroWorlds. At my former school, we had a very limited set of software installed on our computers: MicroWorlds 2.0_ and Microsoft Office (Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Access - which we steered clear of for the most part) and also MSWorks. And then of course there were the programs that come with Windows, such as Paint and Internet Explorer. (I hated Paint and much preferred the graphics capabilities of MicroWorlds.) I became a huge fan of using MicroWorlds for all of our graphics needs, and I continue to use MicroWorlds for generating all of the graphics on my Math Cats website. In 3 1/2 years of developing that site, I have felt little or no need to shell out $$ for a more advanced graphics application. We've already seen how MW can easily be used to assemble an automatic slideshow of external JPEG or GIF files (as well as other graphics formats). Here's how I often use MW to create and edit artwork: Let's say I'm drawing a new cat for Math Cats. I use the circle/oval tool to make the basic head shape, then erase a bit and add ears. Next I draw one eye. I want the other eye to be a mirror image of the first, so I surround the first eye and copy and paste it into a shape. I open that shape and use the mirror image button to reverse the eye, then I surround that eye with the selection tool and copy it. I close that shape and paste the selected area into the cat's head. (I've used this partial mirror-image technique in lots of Math Cats projects, such as the Symmetrical Butterflies craft project: http://www.mathcats.com/crafts/symbutterflies.html.) I often use the fat bits editor (I click and drag with the selection tool then double-click inside the selected area) to get an enlarged view which I can edit pixel by pixel. I love that I can select the desired magnification with MW Pro. I copy and paste my finished cat into a shape, then I open the shape and click and drag its boundaries to crop the image closely so that I don't have any unnecessary white space around it. (This works much better in MW Pro than in MW 2.0_, for we can easily select any shape dimensions with Pro but cannot fine-tune the dimensions as much with MW 2.0_.) (I love storing graphics in the shapes center. Often I make multiple copies of a newly-drawn shape and then edit them to get variations - arms and legs in different positions; merging one graphic with another; etc.) Next I use the SAVESHAPE command (in the command center) to save my new shape as an external GIF file (or if I've cropped a photo or combined a photo with a cartoon-like drawing, I might save it as a JPEG file). Example: saveshape "orangecat.gif 17 where 17 is the number of the shape I'm saving as an external file. Now one thing to bear in mind is that a white background in a shape is transparent when used within a MicroWorlds project, but it appears as solid white when used outside MicroWorlds. If I want a transparent background for this external graphics file, I need to use another application to do this. (I used to use the drawing tools of Word to make one color transparent; I would import the graphics file, use the transparency tool to make one color transparent, then save the Word document as a web page, and in newly-generated folder accompanying the web page I would find two files, one of which was the new graphics file I needed with the transparent background.) But it is much easier to use the free Irfanview graphics viewing-editing application (www.irfanview.com) to make a transparent color; read on "transparency" in the help index to find out how. All of the graphics for Math Cats' Polygon Playground (www.mathcats.com/explore/polygons.html) and Tessellation Town (www.mathcats.com/explore/tessellationtown.html) were created with MWPro (with the help of another application for making transparent backgrounds). I combined MW Logo programming with the graphics tools to generate all of the colored polygon outlines. It is very easy to create tessellating puzzle pieces with MicroWorlds, when you copy and paste wiggly lines to form matching pairs on both sides of an altered quadrilateral (for instance). My students used to love creating tessellations with MicroWorlds. I used the rotation tool in the shapes editor to create right-side-up and upside-down triangle people. (Of course, first I created the original equilateral triangles with Logo commands.) To make very precise tessellating ocean waves I used MW Logo programming to draw the original curves and then I used the graphics tools to color the wave puzzle pieces and the coordinating fish puzzle pieces. For an example of a graphic combining a photo with a cartoon-like drawing and using a transparent background, see my self-portrait at www.mathcats.com/grownupcats.html. I used the graphics tools of MWPro to erase the background of the photo, first outlining carefully around my head (first with a white fine line tool or eraser and then with the fatter lines and with white rectangles). Then I put my head into a MicroWorlds shape, opened the shape and chose a good magnification, and drew a little cat perched on my shoulder. I saved this as a GIF image and then used Irfanview to make the white background transparent. It was fun and easy to create this composite image using MWPro. My students used to love drawing cartoon bodies under their photo heads and then animating their bodies to dance or leap or do jumping jacks or whatever. You can see examples in the "Animate Me" folder at the MicroWorlds in Action site: http://mia.openworldlearning.org/animate_me/animate_me.htm They enjoyed importing each other's cartoon-body images and using these characters in multimedia stories which they wrote using MicroWorlds textboxes. Even first-graders could do this, if we didn't worry about writing procedures to create animations. The "Animated Story" MIA folder demonstrates how even stationary characters can be used to make textboxes appear or to navigate to different project pages: http://mia.openworldlearning.org/animated_story/animated_story.htm We used to use the graphics capabilities of MW combined with textboxes to create many multimedia social studies projects. It was nice sometimes to incorporate some programmed animations, but if we are trying to get more teachers comfortable with using MicroWorlds, we can encourage them to combine static graphics and text as a first step. I also created an "empty book" project which already had empty textboxes and navigation arrows and plenty of pages already set up (another version generated pages automatically as needed, complete with new textboxes and programmed navigation arrows). It had a title page; the student just needed to type the title and author in the preformatted textboxes. It also had a planning page where students could list their characters, make note of any references, do some brainstorming, etc. I much preferred using MW for creating multimedia projects in this way rather than PowerPoint or HyperStudio, because this way we could keep the focus on generating meaningful content. With PowerPoint or HyperStudio, students begin to get too distracted by the formatting decisions before they've developed their content. With MicroWorlds, it is easy to start with a bare-bones text box and then gradually add the bells and whistles after the text is written. I will try to locate this empty book project and a few other useful template projects and share them soon with this list. I hope you'll find some of these ideas useful... and if you've managed to read to the end of this message, I congratulate you heartily! Wendy Petti MicroWorlds in Action http://mia.openworldlearning.org Math Cats http://www.mathcats.com _______________________________________________ MWForum mailing list MWForum@lists.mathcats.com http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum Attachments archived at: http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Sun Feb 29 01:49:56 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Marian Rosen) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 19:49:56 -0600 Subject: [MWForum]turning teachers on to MW - the graphics are great! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <93B16DE4-6A59-11D8-994B-0030655A4ED6@brick.net> About those gif files... Is the background white or clear? Also, could you give me the concise differences between a .jpg .gif and .pict I kind of know this, but not well enough to use it to my advantage. On Friday, February 27, 2004, at 02:49 AM, Steve Robson wrote: > ...and another thought! If you want some good graphics for turtle > shapes, you can search the 'net (with appropriate care) and locate a > web page graphic which can be copied and pasted to the shape centre. > The tumbnails in Google image search are ofetn a useful size, and if > the search is made for gif files only, the background is often white. From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Sun Feb 29 09:21:27 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Steve Robson) Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 09:21:27 +0000 Subject: [MWForum]turning teachers on to MW - the graphics are great! Message-ID:

Hi Marian,

The background on the gifs might be clear or white, if you paste into MW it doesn't actually matter because the transparency is lost anyway. To restore transparent backgrounds, just double click the shape in the shape centre, then pour in the transparent colour from the colour palette onto the background. The point is that as long as the background is plain, you can make it transparent easily. Also if you find an animated gif, you could take it apart to make an animated turtle.

Also, depending on the version of MW you are using, the transparent colour might take a little bit of locating; the earlier versions use (if memory serves me) the lightest shade of white.

Filetypes - you could write a short book on the question, but in brief, here goes...

GIF (Graphic Image File) have a max of 256 colours, can have transparent areas, are used in animations, are often logos, cartoons, text.

JPEG (.jpg -Joint Photographer Expert Group) can have up to 16 million colours, can be compressed to lower the file size, are often used for photographs. If you copy and paste a big, colour-rich jpeg into MW (especially earlier versions) you will notice that the colour depth is reduced.

PICT(Mac format) PICTs are Mac produced bit maps and object image files... basically, these are images made on a mac.

more here: http://www.wfu.edu/~matthews/misc/graphics/formats/formats.html

Hope this helps, good luck

Steve

From: Marian Rosen
Reply-To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com
To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com
Subject: Re: [MWForum]turning teachers on to MW - the graphics are great!
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 19:49:56 -0600
About those gif files...  Is the background white or clear?
Also, could you give me the concise differences between a .jpg  .gif  and .pict
I kind of know this, but not well enough to use it to my advantage.
On Friday, February 27, 2004, at 02:49 AM, Steve Robson wrote:
>...and another thought! If you want some good graphics for turtle
>shapes, you can search the 'net (with appropriate care) and locate a
>web page graphic which can be copied and pasted to the shape centre.
>The tumbnails in Google image search are ofetn a useful size, and if
>the search is made for gif files only, the background is often
>white.
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Stay in touch better and keep protected online with MSN’s NEW all-in-one Premium Services. Find out more here. From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Mon Mar 1 19:26:45 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Steve Robson) Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 19:26:45 +0000 Subject: [MWForum]turning teachers on to MW - the graphics are great! Message-ID:

More about graphics

Sorry Marian, there's beena delay here, my first response didn't make it; here goes again.

The Gif background may be white or clear. If you copy from the internet and paste it into the shape centre, you will need to fill the background of the sprite in with 'transparent paint' from within MW anyway. It's just easier when the background is all one colour. Gifs can be animations, so you can unpack  them (using a GIF animator) and paste them, one by one, into the shape centre to use as animated turtles.

Graphic Filetypes.

This is a big question, but very, very briefly, here goes:

JPEGs have 16 million colours, can be compressed without becoming visibly too bad to use and are great for photo's and so on. If you paste, or insert a jpeg into MW (certainly early versions) you may notice some strange colours appearing.

GIFs are much smaller (sizewise), have a maximum of 256 colours, can be animated and can have transparent areas.

PICTs are native Mac format pictures.

The above is just a very quick answer, you can get loads more if you need it from

http://graphicssoft.about.com/cs/graphicformats/

Hope this helps

Regards

Steve

From: Marian Rosen
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To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com
Subject: Re: [MWForum]turning teachers on to MW - the graphics are great!
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 19:49:56 -0600
About those gif files...  Is the background white or clear?
Also, could you give me the concise differences between a .jpg  .gif  and .pict
I kind of know this, but not well enough to use it to my advantage.
On Friday, February 27, 2004, at 02:49 AM, Steve Robson wrote:
>...and another thought! If you want some good graphics for turtle
>shapes, you can search the 'net (with appropriate care) and locate a
>web page graphic which can be copied and pasted to the shape centre.
>The tumbnails in Google image search are ofetn a useful size, and if
>the search is made for gif files only, the background is often
>white.
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------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C40045.AD432A20-- --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Tue Mar 2 16:46:33 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Daniel Ajoy) Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 11:46:33 -0500 Subject: [MWForum] CASE conditional? In-Reply-To: <001b01c4006f$96193220$b05a0a0a@BOBIRVING> References: Message-ID: <40447419.15011.EB9F0D@localhost> Hi Bob, In Logo you can program structures: TO TRYME QUESTION [ENTER A SINGLE DIGIT NUMBER OR YOUR NAME] CASE ANSWER [ [1 2 3] [show (se 1 2 "or 3 "entered.)] [4 5 6] [show (se 4 5 "or 6 "entered.)] else [show [default case selected]] ] END TO CASE :VALUE :CASES IF EMPTY? :CASES [STOP] IF OR EQUAL? "ELSE FIRST :CASES MEMBER? :VALUE FIRST :CASES [RUN FIRST BUTFIRST :CASES STOP] CASE :VALUE BUTFIRST BUTFIRST :CASES END Daniel OpenWorld Learning On 2 Mar 2004 at 11:01, Bob Irving wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm a newbie MW instructor, using it in grade 6, where I am having my > students write a game for the grade 5 math classes. What I'm wondering is > if there is some sort of CASE structure, which would allow several options > to an answer: kind of yes/no/maybe/not sure. Then have branching logic for > each one. > > Or do I just have to use 4 if statements? > > TIA, > Bob Irving > Middle School Technology Coordinator > Lancaster Country Day School > Lancaster, PA 17603 > Weblog: http://bobirving.weblogs.us/ > From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Tue Mar 2 19:29:36 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Kathy Verzoni) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 14:29:36 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]Procedure for getting many turtles onscreen at once. Message-ID: <380-22004322192936625@mohonasen.org> Hello, my name is Mike and I am a student of Dr=2E Verzoni=2E I was wondering if there was a certain procedure that you could enter in Microworlds Pro that would allow me to get many turtles onscreen at once=2E What I mean is that the turtles generate themeselves=2E As the user clicks on a turtle that has progressed toward the bottom of the screen, it dissapears=2E Then another hatches at the top of the screen=2E Thank you very much=2E From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Wed Mar 3 18:37:49 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Chris Myers) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 11:37:49 -0700 Subject: [MWForum]Two Turtles on Mars Message-ID: <001701c4014e$a20d6440$0201a8c0@openworld.local> Dear MW Forum, I loved this brief and funny posting from Pavel Boytchev on the Logo Forum. It's about the Sprit Rover -- and Turtles on Mars. -Chris Christopher Myers Founder and Executive Director OpenWorld Learning (OWL) Denver, Colorado 303-744-8495 www.openworldlearning.org Message: 1 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 07:35:07 +0200 From: Pavel Boytchev Subject: Two turtles on Mars Hi everybody, I was just reading the NASA update of Spirit and Opportunity activities, when I found this: "...The rover was directed to: turn right, go forward, turn right, take images of "Last Chance," turn right, go forward, turn left, go forward, turn right, take images of "Big Bend," go straight, turn left and go straight! ..." Does it look familiar to you? Here is the URL for the complete update: http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html To be honest I didn't mean this when at Eurologo 2003 I expressed hope that Logo and turtles will 'spread' all over the Earth, and *beyond*... Pavel Christopher Myers Founder and Executive Director OpenWorld Learning (OWL) 303-744-8495 www.openworldlearning.org From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Wed Mar 3 20:15:03 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Wendy Petti) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 15:15:03 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]Procedure for getting many turtles onscreen at once. In-Reply-To: <380-22004322192936625@mohonasen.org> Message-ID: Hi Mike, Yes, there is a way to "hatch" as many turtles as you'd like, under program control. The two procedures below "kill" the existing turtles on a page and hatch new ones. You need to name the new turtles as they are hatched, and the "hatchturtles" procedure automatically numbers them, starting with t1. (If you need to retain turtles that already are numbered, you'll need to change the naming scheme below.) The turtles are hatched at the center of the page and they are hidden when first hatched. This gives you the opportunity to place them in a new position and change their size and shape before making them visible. You can also set an instruction for each newly-hatched turtle. The sample procedure below hatches a random number of new turtles (at least 10 and as many as 34). It sets them to moving in random directions. These procedures were taken from an "anthill" project at OWL's MicroWorlds in Action site; the ants appear to be pouring out of an anthill and the user tries to guess how many ants are scurrying around the page. http://mia.openworldlearning.org/ant_hill/ant_hill_6.htm * * * * * to killturtles everyone [remove who] end to hatchturtles make "no 1 sethowmany 10 + random 25 repeat howmany [newturtle word "t :no setsize 13 st setinstruction [forever [fd 2]] seth random 360 make "no :no + 1] end * * * * * But I'd also like to ask you: do you really need to hatch new turtles? If a turtle is disappearing at the bottom of the page and then "another" turtle is appearing at the top of the page, can you not use the same turtle for this purpose without killing one and hatching another? Wouldn't this work as well? to hide-and-show ht setpos [0 250] st end (using the desired coordinates instead of the samples above, of course) Would you mind sharing the finished project with us? It sounds interesting!! Wendy Petti OWL's MicroWorlds in Action http://mia.openworldlearning.org Math Cats http://www.mathcats.com > -----Original Message----- > From: mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com > [mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com]On Behalf Of Kathy Verzoni > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 2:30 PM > To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com > Subject: [MWForum]Procedure for getting many turtles onscreen at once. > > > Hello, my name is Mike and I am a student of Dr. Verzoni. I was > wondering if there was a certain procedure that you could enter in > Microworlds Pro that would allow me to get many turtles onscreen at > once. What I mean is that the turtles generate themeselves. As the > user clicks on a turtle that has progressed toward the bottom of the > screen, it dissapears. Then another hatches at the top of the screen. > Thank you very much. > > _______________________________________________ > MWForum mailing list > MWForum@lists.mathcats.com > http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum > Attachments archived at: > http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html > To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact > mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com > From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Thu Mar 4 13:24:42 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Kathy Verzoni) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 08:24:42 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]Procedure for getting many turtles onscreen at once. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000f01c401ec$0f065780$7407000a@kverzoni> Hi Wendy -- Thanks for your thorough response to Mike's question. I'll make sure that he gets it today. Regards, Kathy Verzoni -----Original Message----- From: mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com [mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com]On Behalf Of Wendy Petti Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 3:15 PM To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Subject: RE: [MWForum]Procedure for getting many turtles onscreen at once. Hi Mike, Yes, there is a way to "hatch" as many turtles as you'd like, under program control. The two procedures below "kill" the existing turtles on a page and hatch new ones. You need to name the new turtles as they are hatched, and the "hatchturtles" procedure automatically numbers them, starting with t1. (If you need to retain turtles that already are numbered, you'll need to change the naming scheme below.) The turtles are hatched at the center of the page and they are hidden when first hatched. This gives you the opportunity to place them in a new position and change their size and shape before making them visible. You can also set an instruction for each newly-hatched turtle. The sample procedure below hatches a random number of new turtles (at least 10 and as many as 34). It sets them to moving in random directions. These procedures were taken from an "anthill" project at OWL's MicroWorlds in Action site; the ants appear to be pouring out of an anthill and the user tries to guess how many ants are scurrying around the page. http://mia.openworldlearning.org/ant_hill/ant_hill_6.htm * * * * * to killturtles everyone [remove who] end to hatchturtles make "no 1 sethowmany 10 + random 25 repeat howmany [newturtle word "t :no setsize 13 st setinstruction [forever [fd 2]] seth random 360 make "no :no + 1] end * * * * * But I'd also like to ask you: do you really need to hatch new turtles? If a turtle is disappearing at the bottom of the page and then "another" turtle is appearing at the top of the page, can you not use the same turtle for this purpose without killing one and hatching another? Wouldn't this work as well? to hide-and-show ht setpos [0 250] st end (using the desired coordinates instead of the samples above, of course) Would you mind sharing the finished project with us? It sounds interesting!! Wendy Petti OWL's MicroWorlds in Action http://mia.openworldlearning.org Math Cats http://www.mathcats.com > -----Original Message----- > From: mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com > [mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com]On Behalf Of Kathy Verzoni > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 2:30 PM > To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com > Subject: [MWForum]Procedure for getting many turtles onscreen at once. > > > Hello, my name is Mike and I am a student of Dr. Verzoni. I was > wondering if there was a certain procedure that you could enter in > Microworlds Pro that would allow me to get many turtles onscreen at > once. What I mean is that the turtles generate themeselves. As the > user clicks on a turtle that has progressed toward the bottom of the > screen, it dissapears. Then another hatches at the top of the screen. > Thank you very much. > > _______________________________________________ > MWForum mailing list > MWForum@lists.mathcats.com > http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum > Attachments archived at: > http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html > To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact > mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com > _______________________________________________ MWForum mailing list MWForum@lists.mathcats.com http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum Attachments archived at: http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Sat Mar 6 13:39:35 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Ask an Expert - Question) Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 08:39:35 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]MIA, Ask an Expert Question Message-ID: <40498E47.24349.91D47@localhost> This is an automatic message sent from the web form at: http://mia.openworldlearning.org/howdoi.htm from: "Craig Yager" date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 18:21:15 -0700 What is the most recent MicroWorlds book that you would recommend for use in teaching teachers to program and also philosophy about Logo? From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Sun Mar 7 14:15:30 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Steve Robson) Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 14:15:30 +0000 Subject: [MWForum]MIA, Ask an Expert Question Message-ID:

Hi Craig,

I'd be interested in the MicroWorlds answer myself! As to Logo philiosphy, I think the commonly held response would be Seymour Papert's 'Mindstorms, Children Computers and Powerful Ideas'. In terms of technology it's dated, but in respect of the philosphy of Logo, I really liked it. Good luck with finding it!

Steve

 

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Half price modem, FREE connection and one month FREE - click here to sign up to BT Broadband. From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Sun Mar 7 14:55:05 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (cy) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 07:55:05 -0700 Subject: [MWForum]Steve ~ I agree on Philosophy References: Message-ID: <001101c40454$2e969140$70b3fea9@Downstairs> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C40419.80F5C360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey, Steve... I reread Mindstorms every year with my graduate students = at St. Michael's College in Burlington, Vt. It is a treasure -- as are = many of Semour's later writing. I'm mostly interested in hearing if someone has come upon a recently = published book for helping teachers enjoy programming with cool ideas = and grounded in Logo constructivist philosophy. Craig Yager Whittier International School Boulder, Colorado ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steve Robson=20 To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com=20 Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 7:15 AM Subject: RE: [MWForum]MIA, Ask an Expert Question Hi Craig, I'd be interested in the MicroWorlds answer myself! As to Logo = philiosphy, I think the commonly held response would be Seymour Papert's = 'Mindstorms, Children Computers and Powerful Ideas'. In terms of = technology it's dated, but in respect of the philosphy of Logo, I really = liked it. Good luck with finding it! Steve From: "Ask an Expert - Question"=20 Reply-To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com=20 To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com=20 Subject: [MWForum]MIA, Ask an Expert Question=20 Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 08:39:35 -0500=20 This is an automatic message sent from the web form at:=20 http://mia.openworldlearning.org/howdoi.htm=20 from: "Craig Yager"=20 date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 18:21:15 -0700=20 What is the most recent MicroWorlds book that you would=20 recommend for use in teaching teachers to program and also=20 philosophy about Logo?=20 _______________________________________________=20 MWForum mailing list=20 MWForum@lists.mathcats.com=20 http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum=20 Attachments archived at:=20 http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html=20 To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact=20 mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Half price modem, FREE connection and one month FREE - click here to = sign up to BT Broadband. _______________________________________________ = MWForum mailing list MWForum@lists.mathcats.com = http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum Attachments archived = at: http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html To unsubscribe or = for administrative questions contact = mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C40419.80F5C360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey, Steve... I reread Mindstorms every = year with=20 my graduate students at St. Michael's College in Burlington, Vt. It is a = treasure -- as are many of Semour's later writing.
 
I'm mostly interested in hearing if = someone has=20 come upon a recently published book for helping teachers enjoy = programming with=20 cool ideas and grounded in Logo constructivist philosophy.
 
Craig Yager
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Boulder, Colorado
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Hi Craig,

I'd be interested in the MicroWorlds answer myself! As to Logo = philiosphy,=20 I think the commonly held response would be Seymour Papert's = 'Mindstorms,=20 Children Computers and Powerful Ideas'. In terms of technology it's = dated, but=20 in respect of the philosphy of Logo, I really liked it. Good luck with = finding=20 it!

Steve

 

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Half price modem, FREE connection and one month FREE - click here to sign up = to BT=20 Broadband. _______________________________________________ MWForum = mailing=20 list MWForum@lists.mathcats.com=20 http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum Attachments = archived at:=20 http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html To unsubscribe or for = administrative questions contact = mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C40419.80F5C360-- From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Sun Mar 7 15:59:41 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (cy) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 08:59:41 -0700 Subject: [MWForum]Apologies References: <001101c40454$2e969140$70b3fea9@Downstairs> Message-ID: <002701c4045d$3452d590$70b3fea9@Downstairs> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C40422.86EB6730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Seymour... oops... typo.... cy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: cy=20 To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com=20 Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 7:55 AM Subject: [MWForum]Steve ~ I agree on Philosophy Hey, Steve... I reread Mindstorms every year with my graduate students = at St. Michael's College in Burlington, Vt. It is a treasure -- as are = many of Semour's later writing. I'm mostly interested in hearing if someone has come upon a recently = published book for helping teachers enjoy programming with cool ideas = and grounded in Logo constructivist philosophy. Craig Yager Whittier International School Boulder, Colorado ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steve Robson=20 To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com=20 Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 7:15 AM Subject: RE: [MWForum]MIA, Ask an Expert Question Hi Craig, I'd be interested in the MicroWorlds answer myself! As to Logo = philiosphy, I think the commonly held response would be Seymour Papert's = 'Mindstorms, Children Computers and Powerful Ideas'. In terms of = technology it's dated, but in respect of the philosphy of Logo, I really = liked it. Good luck with finding it! Steve From: "Ask an Expert - Question"=20 Reply-To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com=20 To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com=20 Subject: [MWForum]MIA, Ask an Expert Question=20 Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 08:39:35 -0500=20 This is an automatic message sent from the web form at:=20 http://mia.openworldlearning.org/howdoi.htm=20 from: "Craig Yager"=20 date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 18:21:15 -0700=20 What is the most recent MicroWorlds book that you would=20 recommend for use in teaching teachers to program and also=20 philosophy about Logo?=20 _______________________________________________=20 MWForum mailing list=20 MWForum@lists.mathcats.com=20 http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum=20 Attachments archived at:=20 http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html=20 To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact=20 mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Half price modem, FREE connection and one month FREE - click here to = sign up to BT Broadband. _______________________________________________ = MWForum mailing list MWForum@lists.mathcats.com = http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum Attachments archived = at: http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html To unsubscribe or = for administrative questions contact = mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C40422.86EB6730 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Steve

 

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------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C40422.86EB6730-- From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Sun Mar 7 18:21:01 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Karen Randall) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 12:21:01 -0600 Subject: [MWForum]books In-Reply-To: <001101c40454$2e969140$70b3fea9@Downstairs> References: <001101c40454$2e969140$70b3fea9@Downstairs> Message-ID: As someone who has been walking this path since fall, I too am curious about the "official" answer to current books teaching Logo via Microworlds. My experience suggests that the constructivist approach is applied to teaching resources as well. There is a ton of useful stuff to dig through http://www.microworlds.com/library/index.html, but there's nothing like a clearly laid out printed manual to get a new user going. From the Terrapin Logo web site, comes these three beginner project-type books: Getting Started with Logo,Petula Allen and Ann Slater Logo Works: Lessons in Logo, Sheila Cory and Margie Walker 101 Ideas for Logo, Dorothy Fitch What is the Microworlds equivalent? From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Sun Mar 7 23:04:34 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Ray Catzel) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 18:04:34 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I believe the best resources for MicroWorlds is via the Internet - and why not, since that is the medium through which any state of the art computer software will distribute and publish information. --------Ray Catzel -----Original Message----- From: mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com [mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com]On Behalf Of Karen Randall Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 1:21 PM To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Subject: Re: [MWForum]books As someone who has been walking this path since fall, I too am curious about the "official" answer to current books teaching Logo via Microworlds. My experience suggests that the constructivist approach is applied to teaching resources as well. There is a ton of useful stuff to dig through http://www.microworlds.com/library/index.html, but there's nothing like a clearly laid out printed manual to get a new user going. From the Terrapin Logo web site, comes these three beginner project-type books: Getting Started with Logo,Petula Allen and Ann Slater Logo Works: Lessons in Logo, Sheila Cory and Margie Walker 101 Ideas for Logo, Dorothy Fitch What is the Microworlds equivalent? _______________________________________________ MWForum mailing list MWForum@lists.mathcats.com http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum Attachments archived at: http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Mon Mar 8 16:53:51 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Wendy Petti) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 11:53:51 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have a few remarks on the matter of MW books: 1) From what I understand, after the early versions of MW, LCSI made the decision to focus on software itself rather than on printed manuals and supplementary resources. Sharon Yoder (not affiliated with LCSI) wrote several books on MW 2.0 which are now out of print. I bought them but did not find them as helpful as LCSI's early print materials. 2) I believe I've read recently that LCSI has recently produced a book on MicroWorlds EX, but I can find no mention of it on their site or anywhere else. Perhaps it is still in production. (Also, MW EX comes with more helpful resources built into the software, including tutorials and projects.) 3) After Jim Muller wrote "The Great Logo Adventure" (which focused on MSWLogo but much of it is applicable to all versions of Logo), he mentioned on the LogoForum list that in the future he would stick to electronic distribution of Logo writings. And his book did become available for free, electronically, a year or two after it was published. I think part of his reasoning for shying away from print resources in the future is that it takes so long to bring a book to market and by then one wishes to make changes. As Ray points out, state-of-the-art computer software and related information is typically distributed through the Internet, and I'm sure that the main reasons are the ease of distribution and the ease of updating information. 4) I agree that sometimes print materials are the easiest to use and to refer to, although perhaps that's only because we are all still adjusting to the world of electronic information. But I found it a huge help, years ago in the days of MW 1.0 and the first MW 2.0 for Mac, to refer to the print resources packaged with the software, including step-by-step projects. (Prior to that, I valued the old Logowriter activity cards.) I believe that some of these resources were included electronically in later versions on the CD but I don't think they are any more. I wonder if LCSI might consider placing some of these early MW resources in downloadable version on their website. 5) I'd like to remind you that OpenWorld Learning has been developing a collection of online MW resources at the MicroWorlds in Action site - http://mia.openworldlearning.org. The project folders there guide users through building related projects of increasing complexity. The "educational context" materials in the Resources area give some background on the "Logo philosophy" and ideas on using MW in a constructivist computer lab. We would welcome your input and contribution of ideas, articles, "how do I" tips, etc., as we continue to build this online MW resource. Wendy Petti OWL's MicroWorlds in Action http://mia.openworldlearning.org Math Cats http://www.mathcats.com > -----Original Message----- > From: mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com > [mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com]On Behalf Of Ray Catzel > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 6:05 PM > To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com > Subject: RE: [MWForum]books > > > I believe the best resources for MicroWorlds is via the Internet - and why > not, since that is the medium through which any state of the art computer > software will distribute and publish information. > --------Ray Catzel From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Tue Mar 9 02:40:56 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (cy) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 19:40:56 -0700 Subject: [MWForum]books References: Message-ID: <006201c4057f$fd5491e0$70b3fea9@Downstairs> Thanks Wendy... and Ray... for your ideas. Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendy Petti" To: Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 9:53 AM Subject: RE: [MWForum]books > I have a few remarks on the matter of MW books: > > 1) From what I understand, after the early versions of MW, LCSI made the > decision to focus on software itself rather than on printed manuals and > supplementary resources. Sharon Yoder (not affiliated with LCSI) wrote > several books on MW 2.0 which are now out of print. I bought them but did > not find them as helpful as LCSI's early print materials. > > 2) I believe I've read recently that LCSI has recently produced a book on > MicroWorlds EX, but I can find no mention of it on their site or anywhere > else. Perhaps it is still in production. (Also, MW EX comes with more > helpful resources built into the software, including tutorials and > projects.) > > 3) After Jim Muller wrote "The Great Logo Adventure" (which focused on > MSWLogo but much of it is applicable to all versions of Logo), he mentioned > on the LogoForum list that in the future he would stick to electronic > distribution of Logo writings. And his book did become available for free, > electronically, a year or two after it was published. I think part of his > reasoning for shying away from print resources in the future is that it > takes so long to bring a book to market and by then one wishes to make > changes. As Ray points out, state-of-the-art computer software and related > information is typically distributed through the Internet, and I'm sure that > the main reasons are the ease of distribution and the ease of updating > information. > > 4) I agree that sometimes print materials are the easiest to use and to > refer to, although perhaps that's only because we are all still adjusting to > the world of electronic information. But I found it a huge help, years ago > in the days of MW 1.0 and the first MW 2.0 for Mac, to refer to the print > resources packaged with the software, including step-by-step projects. > (Prior to that, I valued the old Logowriter activity cards.) I believe that > some of these resources were included electronically in later versions on > the CD but I don't think they are any more. I wonder if LCSI might consider > placing some of these early MW resources in downloadable version on their > website. > > 5) I'd like to remind you that OpenWorld Learning has been developing a > collection of online MW resources at the MicroWorlds in Action site - > http://mia.openworldlearning.org. The project folders there guide users > through building related projects of increasing complexity. The > "educational context" materials in the Resources area give some background > on the "Logo philosophy" and ideas on using MW in a constructivist computer > lab. We would welcome your input and contribution of ideas, articles, "how > do I" tips, etc., as we continue to build this online MW resource. > > Wendy Petti > OWL's MicroWorlds in Action > http://mia.openworldlearning.org > Math Cats > http://www.mathcats.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com > > [mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com]On Behalf Of Ray Catzel > > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 6:05 PM > > To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com > > Subject: RE: [MWForum]books > > > > > > I believe the best resources for MicroWorlds is via the Internet - and why > > not, since that is the medium through which any state of the art computer > > software will distribute and publish information. > > --------Ray Catzel > > > > _______________________________________________ > MWForum mailing list > MWForum@lists.mathcats.com > http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum > Attachments archived at: > http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html > To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact > mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com > From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Tue Mar 9 17:24:35 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Logo Computer Systems Inc.) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 12:24:35 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >I have a few remarks on the matter of MW books: > >1) From what I understand, after the early versions of MW, LCSI made the >decision to focus on software itself rather than on printed manuals and >supplementary resources. Sharon Yoder (not affiliated with LCSI) wrote >several books on MW 2.0 which are now out of print. I bought them but did >not find them as helpful as LCSI's early print materials. > >2) I believe I've read recently that LCSI has recently produced a book on >MicroWorlds EX, but I can find no mention of it on their site or anywhere >else. Perhaps it is still in production. (Also, MW EX comes with more >helpful resources built into the software, including tutorials and >projects.) Hello, you can download most of LCSI's documentation (.pdf's) through the following address: http://www.microworlds.com/support/documentation.html Regards. Shawn Jesty LCSI -- Logo Computer Systems Inc. 1 Westmount Square, Suite 300 Montreal,QC Canada H3Z 2P9 info@lcsi.ca www.lcsi.ca From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Tue Mar 9 18:04:47 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Harvey Bornfield) Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 11:04:47 -0700 Subject: [MWForum]books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20040309110047.00b4f610@pop.earthlink.net> --=====================_421247551==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed To Karen, Wendi, Ray, I e-mailed Sharon Yoder yesterday regarding her MW tutorials; They are alive and well, and available at www.skyiespublishing.com......... warm regards, Harvey At 11:53 AM 3/8/2004, you wrote: >I have a few remarks on the matter of MW books: > >1) From what I understand, after the early versions of MW, LCSI made the >decision to focus on software itself rather than on printed manuals and >supplementary resources. Sharon Yoder (not affiliated with LCSI) wrote >several books on MW 2.0 which are now out of print. I bought them but did >not find them as helpful as LCSI's early print materials. > >2) I believe I've read recently that LCSI has recently produced a book on >MicroWorlds EX, but I can find no mention of it on their site or anywhere >else. Perhaps it is still in production. (Also, MW EX comes with more >helpful resources built into the software, including tutorials and >projects.) > >3) After Jim Muller wrote "The Great Logo Adventure" (which focused on >MSWLogo but much of it is applicable to all versions of Logo), he mentioned >on the LogoForum list that in the future he would stick to electronic >distribution of Logo writings. And his book did become available for free, >electronically, a year or two after it was published. I think part of his >reasoning for shying away from print resources in the future is that it >takes so long to bring a book to market and by then one wishes to make >changes. As Ray points out, state-of-the-art computer software and related >information is typically distributed through the Internet, and I'm sure that >the main reasons are the ease of distribution and the ease of updating >information. > >4) I agree that sometimes print materials are the easiest to use and to >refer to, although perhaps that's only because we are all still adjusting to >the world of electronic information. But I found it a huge help, years ago >in the days of MW 1.0 and the first MW 2.0 for Mac, to refer to the print >resources packaged with the software, including step-by-step projects. >(Prior to that, I valued the old Logowriter activity cards.) I believe that >some of these resources were included electronically in later versions on >the CD but I don't think they are any more. I wonder if LCSI might consider >placing some of these early MW resources in downloadable version on their >website. > >5) I'd like to remind you that OpenWorld Learning has been developing a >collection of online MW resources at the MicroWorlds in Action site - >http://mia.openworldlearning.org. The project folders there guide users >through building related projects of increasing complexity. The >"educational context" materials in the Resources area give some background >on the "Logo philosophy" and ideas on using MW in a constructivist computer >lab. We would welcome your input and contribution of ideas, articles, "how >do I" tips, etc., as we continue to build this online MW resource. > >Wendy Petti >OWL's MicroWorlds in Action >http://mia.openworldlearning.org >Math Cats >http://www.mathcats.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com > > [mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com]On Behalf Of Ray Catzel > > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 6:05 PM > > To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com > > Subject: RE: [MWForum]books > > > > > > I believe the best resources for MicroWorlds is via the Internet - and why > > not, since that is the medium through which any state of the art computer > > software will distribute and publish information. > > --------Ray Catzel > > > >_______________________________________________ >MWForum mailing list >MWForum@lists.mathcats.com >http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum >Attachments archived at: >http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html >To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact >mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com "Music is the one incorporeal entrance into the higher world of knowledge which comprehends mankind, but mankind cannot comprehend." Ludwig van Beethoven --=====================_421247551==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To Karen, Wendi, Ray,

I e-mailed Sharon Yoder yesterday regarding her MW tutorials; They are alive and well, and available at www.skyiespublishing.com.........

warm regards,
Harvey



At 11:53 AM 3/8/2004, you wrote:
I have a few remarks on the matter of MW books:

1) From what I understand, after the early versions of MW, LCSI made the
decision to focus on software itself rather than on printed manuals and
supplementary resources.  Sharon Yoder (not affiliated with LCSI) wrote
several books on MW 2.0 which are now out of print.  I bought them but did
not find them as helpful as LCSI's early print materials.

2) I believe I've read recently that LCSI has recently produced a book on
MicroWorlds EX, but I can find no mention of it on their site or anywhere
else.  Perhaps it is still in production.  (Also, MW EX comes with more
helpful resources built into the software, including tutorials and
projects.)

3) After Jim Muller wrote "The Great Logo Adventure" (which focused on
MSWLogo but much of it is applicable to all versions of Logo), he mentioned
on the LogoForum list that in the future he would stick to electronic
distribution of Logo writings.  And his book did become available for free,
electronically, a year or two after it was published.  I think part of his
reasoning for shying away from print resources in the future is that it
takes so long to bring a book to market and by then one wishes to make
changes.  As Ray points out, state-of-the-art computer software and related
information is typically distributed through the Internet, and I'm sure that
the main reasons are the ease of distribution and the ease of updating
information.

4) I agree that sometimes print materials are the easiest to use and to
refer to, although perhaps that's only because we are all still adjusting to
the world of electronic information.  But I found it a huge help, years ago
in the days of MW 1.0 and the first MW 2.0 for Mac, to refer to the print
resources packaged with the software, including step-by-step projects.
(Prior to that, I valued the old Logowriter activity cards.)  I believe that
some of these resources were included electronically in later versions on
the CD but I don't think they are any more.  I wonder if LCSI might consider
placing some of these early MW resources in downloadable version on their
website.

5) I'd like to remind you that OpenWorld Learning has been developing a
collection of online MW resources at the MicroWorlds in Action site -
http://= mia.openworldlearning.org. The project folders there guide users
through building related projects of increasing complexity.  The
"educational context" materials in the Resources area give some background
on the "Logo philosophy" and ideas on using MW in a constructivist computer
lab.  We would welcome your input and contribution of ideas, articles, "how
do I" tips, etc., as we continue to build this online MW resource.

Wendy Petti
OWL's MicroWorlds in Action
http://mia.openworldlearning.org
Math Cats
http://www.mathcats.com


> -----Original Message-----
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> [mail= to:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com]On Behalf Of Ray Catzel
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> I believe the best resources for MicroWorlds is via the Internet - and why
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--=====================_421247551==.ALT-- From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Tue Mar 9 22:35:28 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (krandall) Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 16:35:28 -0600 Subject: [MWForum]books Message-ID: <404e46b0.416f.16838@ties2.net> Thanks, I will check it out. From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Wed Mar 10 01:48:57 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (cy) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 18:48:57 -0700 Subject: [MWForum]books References: Message-ID: <00e501c40641$da3c1cb0$70b3fea9@Downstairs> Thanks, Shawn ~ Craig Yager Whittier International School Boulder, Colorado ----- Original Message ----- From: "Logo Computer Systems Inc." To: Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 10:24 AM Subject: RE: [MWForum]books > >I have a few remarks on the matter of MW books: > > > >1) From what I understand, after the early versions of MW, LCSI made the > >decision to focus on software itself rather than on printed manuals and > >supplementary resources. Sharon Yoder (not affiliated with LCSI) wrote > >several books on MW 2.0 which are now out of print. I bought them but did > >not find them as helpful as LCSI's early print materials. > > > >2) I believe I've read recently that LCSI has recently produced a book on > >MicroWorlds EX, but I can find no mention of it on their site or anywhere > >else. Perhaps it is still in production. (Also, MW EX comes with more > >helpful resources built into the software, including tutorials and > >projects.) > > Hello, > > you can download most of LCSI's documentation (.pdf's) through the > following address: > http://www.microworlds.com/support/documentation.html > > Regards. > > Shawn Jesty > LCSI > -- > > Logo Computer Systems Inc. > 1 Westmount Square, Suite 300 > Montreal,QC Canada > H3Z 2P9 > info@lcsi.ca > www.lcsi.ca > _______________________________________________ > MWForum mailing list > MWForum@lists.mathcats.com > http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum > Attachments archived at: > http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html > To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact > mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com > From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Wed Mar 10 03:31:06 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Daniel Ajoy) Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 22:31:06 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]Bye? Message-ID: <404E45AA.25012.54FB76@localhost> Hi MWForum, Why doesn't Microworlds has a "bye" command? Is there a way to close MW from within a program? Daniel OpenWorld Learning From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Thu Mar 11 00:17:57 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Ask an Expert - Question) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 19:17:57 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]MIA, Ask an Expert Question Message-ID: <404F69E5.3728.4FF4D@localhost> This is an automatic message sent from the web form at: http://mia.openworldlearning.org/howdoi.htm from: "stephane" date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 14:35:11 -0700 How can i close my program with any logo vocabulary? From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Thu Mar 18 01:24:32 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Ask an Expert - Question) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 20:24:32 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]MIA, Ask an Expert Question Message-ID: <4058B400.230.29D1B4@localhost> This is an automatic message sent from the web form at: http://mia.openworldlearning.org/howdoi.htm from: "jayne" date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 15:37:01 -0700 i want to click on buttons to name the solar system in order. how can i programe in the procedures to check that it is the correct order? From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Thu Mar 18 22:37:38 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Menefee, Mike -OC) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 14:37:38 -0800 Subject: [MWForum]Newbie Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C40D39.9D9437D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi All, I am Mike Menefee, a teacher in Silverdale, Washington. Have been teaching Logo for years, and have progressed through the DOS and Windows versions up to EX. Many great successes. Some of my former 5th graders are now off at college and thanking me for the skills they began to hone in Logo. Frustrations: I am self-taught, and struggle with some concepts and tasks. Future concerns: Helping a blind student with MicroWorlds! Looking forward to collaborating. Mike ------_=_NextPart_001_01C40D39.9D9437D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hi All,
 
I am Mike Menefee, a teacher in Silverdale, Washington.
 
Have been teaching Logo for years, and have progressed through the DOS and Windows versions up to EX.
 
Many great successes.  Some of my former 5th graders are now off at college and thanking me for the skills they began to hone in Logo.
 
Frustrations:  I am self-taught, and struggle with some concepts and tasks.
 
Future concerns:  Helping a blind student with MicroWorlds!
 
Looking forward to collaborating.
 
Mike
------_=_NextPart_001_01C40D39.9D9437D0-- From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Sat Mar 20 15:27:15 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Cathy's Mail) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 10:27:15 -0500 Subject: [MWForum](no subject) Message-ID: <000001c40e8f$d3822350$6500a8c0@FAMILY> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C40E65.EAAC1B50 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0002_01C40E65.EAAC1B50" ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C40E65.EAAC1B50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi. I am trying to create a virtual pet using Gary Stagers webpage: www.stager.org/articles/tamagotchi.html HOUR is not working at all. There must be an HOUR going on in the background, but it has me stuck. I had to rename MESSAGE to MESSAGES. Why? Has anyone done this and can they help me? Thanks. Cathy Berger ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C40E65.EAAC1B50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi.  I am trying to create a virtual = pet using Gary Stagers webpage:  www.stager.org/ar= ticles/tamagotchi.html

 

HOUR is not = working at all.  There must be an HOUR = going on in the background, but it has me stuck.  I had to rename MESSAGE to MESSAGES.  Why?  Has anyone done this and can = they help me?  Thanks.<= /p>

 

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From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Mon Mar 22 13:22:08 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Consuella Jackson) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 05:22:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [MWForum]microworlds on website Message-ID: <20040322132208.62033.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1162249886-1079961728=:61453 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm trying to put a microworlds project on a website. It was created with microworlds and edited with microworlds pro. I have one imported wav file and one avi file. I've save the project as an HTML and imported both the HTML and project to my web folder. I have both the wav and avi in the same folder. The project works, except the above mentioned files. How do I go back and point the files to read the ones in the folder? thanks, Consuella --0-1162249886-1079961728=:61453 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I'm trying to put a microworlds project on a website. It was created with microworlds and edited with microworlds pro. I have one  imported wav file and one avi file.  I've save the project as an HTML and imported both the HTML and project to my web folder. I have both the wav and avi in the same folder. The project works, except the above mentioned files.
 
How do I go back and point the files to read the ones in the folder?
 
thanks,
Consuella
--0-1162249886-1079961728=:61453-- From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Mon Mar 22 16:05:54 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Logo Computer Systems Inc.) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:05:54 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]microworlds on website In-Reply-To: <20040322132208.62033.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040322132208.62033.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: >I'm trying to put a microworlds project on a website. It was created >with microworlds and edited with microworlds pro. I have one > imported wav file and one avi file. I've save the project as an >HTML and imported both the HTML and project to my web folder. I have >both the wav and avi in the same folder. The project works, except >the above mentioned files. > >How do I go back and point the files to read the ones in the folder? > Dear Consuella, this particular problem can happen if the independent files (.wav and .avi) were not properly linked before creating the .html template. Simply place all three files (.wav, .avi , .mw2 or .mwz) in the same folder, launch the .mw2 file with MicroWorlds Pro (v.1.1), re-import the media files and then create the .html template. Test the project by opening the .html template with your latest WebPlayer (http://www.microworlds.com/webplayer/index.html) equipped Internet browser. If everything works, you can upload the files to overwrite the existing files on your web server. Please note, that you should only user lowercase characters in the file names. We also don't recommend the use of video clips for online projects due to longer loading time. You can find more information on using media files with online projects from the following link: http://www.microworlds.com/library/post.html Let me know how it goes. Regards. Shawn Jesty LCSI -- Logo Computer Systems Inc. 1 Westmount Square, Suite 300 Montreal,QC Canada H3Z 2P9 info@lcsi.ca www.lcsi.ca From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Mon Mar 22 17:17:43 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Marian Rosen) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:17:43 -0600 Subject: [MWForum]Newbie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --Apple-Mail-2-736932160 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mike, I, have two students (Grades 1 and 4) who are blind. I've worked=20= with Logo for many years, but have not been too successful in figuring=20= out how to take advantage of Logo for them. We do some tactile=20 transfers... For geometry units - we use manipulatives (cut straws on string = for=20 rule of 360), geoboards, small magnet board with magnetic shapes to=20 build designs, cubes, pattern blocks, etc. For patterning lessons I once tried substituting sounds from the = music=20 maker. Of course, the child couldn't "read" the music maker, so I made=20= a little computer keyboard music system. I was quite pleased with=20 myself until it occurred to me that that was really dumb since I could=20= give the kid an actual keyboard which would be like every piano=20 keyboard in the world and be much more effective! Give a person a=20 hammer and the whole world looks like a nail. Give a Logophile=20 MicroWorlds and the whole world looks like... I then began to ask around among the specialists in adaptive = software=20 for open ended, constructivist environments for visually handicapped=20 kids. I didn't get too far. I have the nagging feeling there should be more... Please let me know what you come up with. Marian Rosen Instructional Tech Coordinator Conway School, Ladue, Missouri, 63124 On Thursday, March 18, 2004, at 04:37 PM, Menefee, Mike -OC wrote: > Hi All, > =A0 > I am Mike Menefee, a teacher in Silverdale, Washington. > =A0 > Have been teaching Logo for years, and have progressed through the DOS=20= > and Windows versions up to EX. > =A0 > Many great successes.=A0 Some of my former 5th graders are now off at=20= > college and thanking me for the skills they began to hone in Logo. > =A0 > Frustrations:=A0 I am self-taught, and struggle with some concepts and=20= > tasks. > =A0 > Future concerns:=A0 Helping a blind student with MicroWorlds! > =A0 > Looking forward to collaborating. > =A0 > Mike --Apple-Mail-2-736932160 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mike, I, have two students (Grades 1 and 4) who are blind. I've worked with Logo for many years, but have not been too successful in figuring out how to take advantage of Logo for them. We do some tactile transfers...=20 For geometry units - we use manipulatives (cut straws on string = for rule of 360), geoboards, small magnet board with magnetic shapes to build designs, cubes, pattern blocks, etc. For patterning lessons I once tried substituting sounds from the music maker. Of course, the child couldn't "read" the music maker, so I made a little computer keyboard music system. I was quite pleased with myself until it occurred to me that that was really dumb since I could give the kid an actual keyboard which would be like every piano keyboard in the world and be much more effective! Give a person a hammer and the whole world looks like a nail. Give a Logophile MicroWorlds and the whole world looks like... I then began to ask around among the specialists in adaptive = software for open ended, constructivist environments for visually handicapped kids. I didn't get too far. I have the nagging feeling there should be more...=20 Please let me know what you come up with. Marian Rosen Instructional Tech Coordinator Conway School, Ladue, Missouri, 63124 On Thursday, March 18, 2004, at 04:37 PM, Menefee, Mike -OC wrote: ArialHi = All, =A0 ArialI am Mike Menefee, a teacher in Silverdale, Washington. =A0 ArialHave been teaching Logo for years, and have progressed through the DOS and Windows versions up to EX. =A0 ArialMany great successes.=A0 Some of my former 5th graders are now off at college and thanking me for the skills they began to hone in Logo. =A0 ArialFrustrations:=A0 I am self-taught, and struggle with some concepts and = tasks. =A0 ArialFuture concerns:=A0 Helping a blind student with MicroWorlds! =A0 ArialLooking forward to collaborating. =A0 ArialMike = --Apple-Mail-2-736932160-- From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Mon Mar 22 18:54:50 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Consuella Jackson) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 10:54:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [MWForum]microworlds on website In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040322185450.90558.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1839783175-1079981690=:87704 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks, I removed the avi file and one of the wav files. Everything works well. Thanks again. Dear Consuella, this particular problem can happen if the independent files (.wav and .avi) were not properly linked before creating the .html template. Simply place all three files (.wav, .avi , .mw2 or .mwz) in the same folder, launch the .mw2 file with MicroWorlds Pro (v.1.1), re-import the media files and then create the .html template. Test the project by opening the .html template with your latest WebPlayer (http://www.microworlds.com/webplayer/index.html) equipped Internet browser. If everything works, you can upload the files to overwrite the existing files on your web server. Please note, that you should only user lowercase characters in the file names. We also don't recommend the use of video clips for online projects due to longer loading time. You can find more information on using media files with online projects from the following link: http://www.microworlds.com/library/post.html Let me know how it goes. Regards. Shawn Jesty LCSI -- Logo Computer Systems Inc. 1 Westmount Square, Suite 300 Montreal,QC Canada H3Z 2P9 info@lcsi.ca www.lcsi.ca _______________________________________________ MWForum mailing list MWForum@lists.mathcats.com http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum Attachments archived at: http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com --0-1839783175-1079981690=:87704 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Thanks,
I removed the avi file and one of the wav files. Everything works well. Thanks again.
Dear Consuella,

this particular problem can happen if the independent files (.wav and
.avi) were not properly linked before creating the .html template.
Simply place all three files (.wav, .avi , .mw2 or .mwz) in the same
folder, launch the .mw2 file with MicroWorlds Pro (v.1.1), re-import
the media files and then create the .html template. Test the project
by opening the .html template with your latest WebPlayer
(http://www.microworlds.com/webplayer/index.html) equipped Internet
browser. If everything works, you can upload the files to overwrite
the existing files on your web server.

Please note, that you should only user lowercase characters in the
file names. We also don't recommend the use of video clips for
online projects due to longer loading time. You can find more
information on using media files with online projects from the
following link: http://www.microworlds.com/library/post.html

Let me know how it goes.

Regards.

Shawn Jesty
LCSI


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--0-1839783175-1079981690=:87704-- From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Mon Mar 22 21:12:44 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Wendy Petti) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 16:12:44 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]microworlds on website Message-ID: I understand that Consuella's problem is now resolved, but I wanted to expand on a few of Shawn's remarks because others might also have encountered difficulties with posting MW projects linking to external media files. (I tried sending the message below this morning but my message never got posted to the list.) - Wendy -----Original Message----- From: Wendy Petti [mailto:wpetti@mathcats.com] Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 11:45 AM To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Subject: RE: [MWForum]microworlds on website > Please note, that you should only user lowercase characters in the > file names. 1) Sometimes .WAV or .AVI files might have the extension itself written in capital letters, such as: dogbarking.WAV *** Ironically, despite Shawn's important advice to use only lowercase characters in file names, the media files included on the MWPro 1.1 CD (and included with at least some of the earlier versions of MW too) are named entirely with uppercase letters, for the file name and the extension name! *** When you include media files containing uppercase letters, everything seems to work fine when you use the project offline, but viewed online through the webplayer, the media files will not load if the file names OR extension names are capitalized. It is not apparent when you look at the file name if the extension itself is written in upper or lower case; you can't see the extension name itself. But if you use an FTP program (such as WS_FTP Pro) to upload your files, you can then see the full file names with extension, and you can edit them to make the extension names lowercase. As a precaution, whenever I create my own media files (including animated GIF's), I always type in the extension name in lowercase as I am naming the file. Using the example above, I would type: dogbarking.wav rather than just dogbarking when I am naming the file. This overrides the default capitalization of extension names built into some applications. 2) Also: be aware that not all computers can access all types of media files. If you use external files, it is possible that a subset of your potential users (for instance, Mac users) may not be able to access the project at all (not just the media file) if you incorporate an external file into your project. I've had this experience but I don't remember if it occurs whenever an incompatible external file is included anywhere in the project or only when it is part of a startup procedure. 3) Finally: bear in mind that dial-up connections usually load files at the rate of around 4 kilobytes per second (that would be 240 kb per minute). If you have a project and related files requiring (let's say) 1 mb of file transfer, it would take a typical user roughly four minutes just to access your project. In the meantime, the page just hangs there, and most people decide there is something wrong and leave the site. So if you feel you *must* upload a huge project, please issue a cautionary note next to the link to that page, stating the total file size and warning that the project might take several minutes or longer to load. I always include screenshots of the project, too, so that the user can get a quick sense of the project environment before deciding if it is worth the time and trouble to view the project itself. Wendy Petti OWL's MicroWorlds in Action http://mia.openworldlearning.org Math Cats http://www.mathcats.com From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Mon Mar 22 16:44:51 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Wendy Petti) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:44:51 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]microworlds on website In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I want to emphasize and expand on Shawn's remarks: > Please note, that you should only user lowercase characters in the > file names. 1) Sometimes .WAV or .AVI files might have the extension itself written in capital letters, such as: dogbarking.WAV *** Ironically, despite Shawn's important advice to use only lowercase characters in file names, the media files included on the MWPro 1.1 CD (and included with at least some of the earlier versions of MW too) are named entirely with uppercase letters, for the file name and the extension name! *** When you include media files containing uppercase letters, everything seems to work fine when you use the project offline, but viewed online through the webplayer, the media files will not load if the file names OR extension names are capitalized. It is not apparent when you look at the file name if the extension itself is written in upper or lower case; you can't see the extension name itself. But if you use an FTP program (such as WS_FTP Pro) to upload your files, you can then see the full file names with extension, and you can edit them to make the extension names lowercase. As a precaution, whenever I create my own media files (including animated GIF's), I always type in the extension name in lowercase as I am naming the file. Using the example above, I would type: dogbarking.wav rather than just dogbarking when I am naming the file. This overrides the default capitalization of extension names built into some applications. 2) Also: be aware that not all computers can access all types of media files. If you use external files, it is possible that a subset of your potential users (for instance, Mac users) may not be able to access the project at all (not just the media file) if you incorporate an external file into your project. I've had this experience but I don't remember if it occurs whenever an incompatible external file is included anywhere in the project or only when it is part of a startup procedure. 3) Finally: bear in mind that dial-up connections usually load files at the rate of around 4 kilobytes per second (that would be 240 kb per minute). If you have a project and related files requiring (let's say) 1 mb of file transfer, it would take a typical user roughly four minutes just to access your project. In the meantime, the page just hangs there, and most people decide there is something wrong and leave the site. So if you feel you *must* upload a huge project, please issue a cautionary note next to the link to that page, stating the total file size and warning that the project might take several minutes or longer to load. I always include screenshots of the project, too, so that the user can get a quick sense of the project environment before deciding if it is worth the time and trouble to view the project itself. Wendy Petti OWL's MicroWorlds in Action http://mia.openworldlearning.org Math Cats http://www.mathcats.com From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Wed Mar 24 14:19:55 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Locke Thomas (01M363)) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 09:19:55 -0500 Subject: [MWForum](no subject) Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C411AB.14AE5C09 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----Original Message----- From: mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com on behalf of Cathy's Mail Sent: Sat 3/20/2004 10:27 AM To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Cc:=09 Subject: [MWForum](no subject) =20 Hi. I am trying to create a virtual pet using Gary Stagers webpage: www.stager.org/articles/tamagotchi.html =20 HOUR is not working at all. There must be an HOUR going on in the background, but it has me stuck. I had to rename MESSAGE to MESSAGES. Why? Has anyone done this and can they help me? 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How come the www.microworlds.com home page says that there is a MW EX version available for both Windows and Mac OS X, and yet when I go to the order page, it says only the Windows version is available? -John John St. Clair Global SchoolNet Foundation john.stclair@verizon.net www.gsn.org Vina Danks Middle School LogoForum moderator Teacher of Logo and Lego groups.yahoo.com/group/logoforum From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Thu Mar 25 18:35:08 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Logo Computer Systems Inc.) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 13:35:08 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]MicroWorlds EX In-Reply-To: <33F04D70-7E1F-11D8-A52A-00039340E3F8@verizon.net> References: <33F04D70-7E1F-11D8-A52A-00039340E3F8@verizon.net> Message-ID: >This is a question for LCSI. How come the www.microworlds.com home >page says that there is a MW EX version available for both Windows >and Mac OS X, and yet when I go to the order page, it says only the >Windows version is available? > Hi John, the OS X/Windows version of MicroWorlds EX will begin shipping by the end of next week. To avoid having our customers only receive the Windows version, we haven't yet made the product available through our web site. However, you will be able to order through our site next week and please don't hesitate to call me to pre-order. Our first version (1.1) will be 10.2 compatible (you may experience some problems under 10.3) and will ship without an OS X WebPlayer. We hope to have the WebPlayer and a compatible 10.3 version available by this summer. Please don't hesitate to write me back with any other questions or comments. Shawn Jesty LCSI -- Logo Computer Systems Inc. 1 Westmount Square, Suite 300 Montreal,QC Canada H3Z 2P9 info@lcsi.ca www.lcsi.ca From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Thu Apr 1 21:33:27 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Logo Computer Systems Inc.) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 16:33:27 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]MicroWorlds EX In-Reply-To: References: <33F04D70-7E1F-11D8-A52A-00039340E3F8@verizon.net> Message-ID: I often have customers ask how they can use MicroWorlds 2.0's shapes in both Pro and EX. The following directions (for Mac or Win MicroWorlds) make it quick and easy: -create a new folder somewhere on your computer. -within MicroWorlds 2.0, save a project (anything) to your new folder. -run the following code from 2.0's command center, dotimes [i 64][saveshape word "shape sum 1 :i sum 1 :i -within MicroWorlds Pro/EX select IMPORT PICTURE from under the FILE menu and import the first picture (shape1.bmp) into MicroWorlds Pro. -run the following code from the Pro/EX command center: dotimes [i 64][loadshape word "shape sum 1 :i sum 1 :i -check Pro's/EX's GRAPHICS tab to be sure that you have all of the 2.0 shapes. -now you can save the project to use as a template for when you need 2.0 shapes. -these directions will also work for a 2.0 project that has added or modified shapes rather than the default shapes. Please let me know if you have any questions. Shawn -- Logo Computer Systems Inc. 1 Westmount Square, Suite 300 Montreal,QC Canada H3Z 2P9 info@lcsi.ca www.lcsi.ca From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Fri Apr 2 18:53:01 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Ask an Expert - Question) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 13:53:01 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]MIA, Ask an Expert Question Message-ID: <406D703D.1890.F8E855@localhost> This is an automatic message sent from the web form at: http://mia.openworldlearning.org/howdoi.htm from: "Jean Stringer" date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 11:17:34 -0700 This forum once taught me to take MWprojects from the internet by opening them in MW from the Netscape Cache. That worked fine until today. For some reason my old Netscape will not work it keeps giving me an error message so I downloaded 7.1 and I can't find the cache file to open the MW2 file. Does anyone know how I can open MW2 files from Netscape 7.1 Thank you for any help. Jean Stringer From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Sun Apr 4 03:33:37 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Ask an Expert - Question) Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 21:33:37 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]MIA, Ask an Expert Question Message-ID: <406F2DB1.25803.37A77@localhost> This is an automatic message sent from the web form at: http://mia.openworldlearning.org/howdoi.htm from: "Mike" date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 12:53:20 -0700 Is there a command to close Microworlds? From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Mon Apr 5 15:32:15 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Logo Computer Systems Inc.) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 10:32:15 -0400 Subject: [MWForum]MIA, Ask an Expert Question In-Reply-To: <406D703D.1890.F8E855@localhost> References: <406D703D.1890.F8E855@localhost> Message-ID: >This is an automatic message sent from the web form at: >http://mia.openworldlearning.org/howdoi.htm > >from: "Jean Stringer" >date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 11:17:34 -0700 > >This forum once taught me to take MWprojects from the >internet by opening them in MW from the Netscape Cache. >That worked fine until today. For some reason my old >Netscape will not work it keeps giving me an error message >so I downloaded 7.1 and I can't find the cache file to open >the MW2 file. > >Does anyone know how I can open MW2 files from Netscape 7.1 > Hi Jean, I used to do the same thing. It was a handy way of obtaining a copy of the project that you've just viewed with your Internet browser. Unfortunately, this doesn't seem to be possible when using Windows 2000/XP. Regards. Shawn -- Logo Computer Systems Inc. 1 Westmount Square, Suite 300 Montreal,QC Canada H3Z 2P9 info@lcsi.ca www.lcsi.ca From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Mon Apr 5 16:01:54 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Wendy Petti) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 11:01:54 -0400 Subject: [MWForum] retrieving MW files from cache In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It is possible to retrieve MW files from the cache of Temporary Internet Files when using Internet Explorer and Windows XP. I wrote to Jean offlist and determined that actually she uses IE more than Netscape anyhow. (And in any case, if MW lovers really want to retrieve online files, they can certainly use IE once in awhile even if they usually don't.) Here is the information on how to access the files with IE and XP: I open folders in the order below, and I make sure to set my folders so that I can view all hidden folders and files. (To do that, on the top menu of a folder, select Tools -> Folder Options -> click the "view" tab, then click the bullet next to "show hidden files and folders."): Start -> My Computer -> C: -> Documents and Settings -> the folder bearing your user name -> Local Settings [this folder might be hidden unless you've made all folders visible, and then it is lighter colored than typical folders] -> Temporary Internet Files The steps are a bit different for Windows 98 and other operating systems. As an alternative, you can also run a "find file" search on the word "Temporary" and then look through the list until you find the right folder. I suggest that however you find it, you place a shortcut to it on your desktop so it will be easier to access it next time you need it. Then you can sort the files in that folder by name or by type or my how recently accessed, etc. If you clear your cache while the folder is open, then revisit the project(s) you want, then refresh your view of the folder (on the menu bar select View -> Refresh), it might be easier to find the MW files if you can't find them otherwise. Wendy Petti MWForum moderator > >from: "Jean Stringer" > >date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 11:17:34 -0700 ... > >Does anyone know how I can open MW2 files from Netscape 7.1 > > > Hi Jean, > > I used to do the same thing. It was a handy way of obtaining a copy > of the project that you've just viewed with your Internet browser. > Unfortunately, this doesn't seem to be possible when using Windows > 2000/XP. > > Regards. > > Shawn From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Tue Apr 6 20:21:16 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Logo Computer Systems Inc.) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 15:21:16 -0400 Subject: [MWForum]MIA, Ask an Expert Question In-Reply-To: <406F2DB1.25803.37A77@localhost> References: <406F2DB1.25803.37A77@localhost> Message-ID: >This is an automatic message sent from the web form at: >http://mia.openworldlearning.org/howdoi.htm > >from: "Mike" >date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 12:53:20 -0700 > >Is there a command to close Microworlds? > Hi Mike, unfortunately, you can't quit out of MicroWorlds through program control. Regards. Shawn Jesty LCSI -- Logo Computer Systems Inc. 1 Westmount Square, Suite 300 Montreal,QC Canada H3Z 2P9 info@lcsi.ca www.lcsi.ca From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Tue Apr 6 21:02:15 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Steve Robson) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 20:02:15 +0000 Subject: [MWForum]MIA, Ask an Expert Question Message-ID:

You could run the project in a web page and use all the various get-outs that way. Don't know if that helps at all.

Regards

Steve



 

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>Is there a command to close Microworlds?
>
Hi Mike,
unfortunately, you can't quit out of MicroWorlds through program control.
Regards.
Shawn Jesty
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Get a free connection, half-price modem and one month FREE, when you sign up for BT Broadband today! From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Tue Apr 13 15:37:55 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Bob Irving) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 10:37:55 -0400 Subject: [MWForum]MicroWorlds EX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000301c42164$e87cb670$b05a0a0a@BOBIRVING> Got a question... My students are writing math games. Is there a good = way to ask multiple questions (say, 10) without having 10 buttons to launch = each new question? Bob Irving Lancaster Country Day School Lancaster, PA --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Tue Apr 13 16:22:50 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Susan van Gelder) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:22:50 -0400 Subject: [MWForum]MicroWorlds EX In-Reply-To: <000301c42164$e87cb670$b05a0a0a@BOBIRVING> References: <000301c42164$e87cb670$b05a0a0a@BOBIRVING> Message-ID: <6D0DE6E2-8D5E-11D8-B002-000A95C868C0@videotron.ca> You can have one button that starts the game. In it you would put the name of each procedure that asks a question to play ques1 ques2 ques3 end Then it will ask one question at a time. Susan On Apr 13, 2004, at 10:37 AM, Bob Irving wrote: > Got a question... My students are writing math games. Is there a > good way > to ask multiple questions (say, 10) without having 10 buttons to > launch each > new question? > > Bob Irving > Lancaster Country Day School > Lancaster, PA > > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > _______________________________________________ > MWForum mailing list > MWForum@lists.mathcats.com > http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum > Attachments archived at: > http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html > To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact > mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com > > *************************************************************** Susan van Gelder susanvg@mac.com From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Tue Apr 13 17:42:31 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Jerry Balzano) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 09:42:31 -0700 Subject: [MWForum]MicroWorlds EX In-Reply-To: <6D0DE6E2-8D5E-11D8-B002-000A95C868C0@videotron.ca> References: <000301c42164$e87cb670$b05a0a0a@BOBIRVING> <6D0DE6E2-8D5E-11D8-B002-000A95C868C0@videotron.ca> Message-ID: Bob - Another way to do this: Assume you have a procedure ASKQUES :N which asks a question depending on the value of the input it is called with. At the beginning of the game maybe have a procedure like TO STARTUP MAKE "Q 1 END Then the button's instruction could say ASKQUES :Q MAKE "Q :Q + 1 - Jerry Balzano (F&M alumnus) >You can have one button that starts the game. In it you would put >the name of each procedure that asks a question > >to play >ques1 >ques2 >ques3 >end > >Then it will ask one question at a time. > >Susan >On Apr 13, 2004, at 10:37 AM, Bob Irving wrote: > >>Got a question... My students are writing math games. Is there a good way >>to ask multiple questions (say, 10) without having 10 buttons to launch each >>new question? >> >>Bob Irving >>Lancaster Country Day School >>Lancaster, PA >> >> >>--- >>[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] >> >>_______________________________________________ >>MWForum mailing list >>MWForum@lists.mathcats.com >>http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum >>Attachments archived at: >>http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html >>To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact >>mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com >> >*************************************************************** >Susan van Gelder >susanvg@mac.com > >_______________________________________________ >MWForum mailing list >MWForum@lists.mathcats.com >http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum >Attachments archived at: >http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html >To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact >mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com -- ------------------------- Dr. Gerald J. Balzano Teacher Education Program Dept of Music Laboratory for Comparative Human Cognition Cognitive Science Program UC San Diego La Jolla, CA 92093 (858) 822-0092 gjbalzano@ucsd.edu From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Wed Apr 14 07:25:11 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Wendy Petti) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 02:25:11 -0400 Subject: [MWForum]MicroWorlds EX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: These are good ideas. It is also possible to create a math game which generates random questions and evaluates the answers. It is easiest to focus on one operation at a time, but then you can design a version of the game which chooses randomly from addition, subtraction, multiplication and division questions, or even a game in which it is possible to choose a difficulty level (how many digits, etc.). Here are procedures for a simple multiplication quiz game. (Mind you, I'm not promoting the idea of drill and practice math games! I don't know what kind of math games your students are developing. But this is a simple way to get started in game creation.) This game presents problems in question boxes and evaluates the answers. If the answer is correct, the score in the SCORE textbox increases by 1 and a little snake moves forward 20 pixels; otherwise the computer shows the answer in an announcement box, the snake moves back 20 pixels, and the score decreases by 1. For the game below you would need a "new_problem" button and a "new_game" button and there is no clear finish to the game. It would be fairly easy to improve on this game so that new questions appear automatically after the previous question is evaluated, until a specified number of questions have been asked. It would also be possible to announce how many points have been earned out of how many total questions asked (perhaps when the game ends). * * * * * to new_problem make "m1 random 11 make "m2 random 11 question (se :m1 "x :m2 "=) ifelse answer = :m1 * :m1 [setscore score + 1 fd 20] [show_answer bk 20 setscore score - 1] end to show_answer make "m1m2product :m1 * :m2 announce (se :m1 "x :m2 "= :m1m2product) end to new_game setscore 0 t1, setpos [-178 -6] end to startup new_game end Wendy Petti OWL's MicroWorlds in Action http://mia.openworldlearning.org Math Cats http://www.mathcats.com - - - - - > Another way to do this: > > Assume you have a procedure > ASKQUES :N > which asks a question depending on the value of the input it is > called with. > > At the beginning of the game maybe have a procedure like > TO STARTUP > MAKE "Q 1 > END > > Then the button's instruction could say > ASKQUES :Q MAKE "Q :Q + 1 > > - Jerry Balzano (F&M alumnus) > > >You can have one button that starts the game. In it you would put > >the name of each procedure that asks a question > > > >to play > >ques1 > >ques2 > >ques3 > >end > > > >Then it will ask one question at a time. > > > >Susan > >On Apr 13, 2004, at 10:37 AM, Bob Irving wrote: > > > >>Got a question... My students are writing math games. Is > there a good way > >>to ask multiple questions (say, 10) without having 10 buttons > to launch each new question? > From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Wed Apr 14 22:12:41 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Ask an Expert - Question) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:12:41 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]MIA, Ask an Expert Question Message-ID: <407D62F9.5201.4B74D9@localhost> This is an automatic message sent from the web form at: http://mia.openworldlearning.org/howdoi.htm from: "jayne" date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 9:29:13 -0600 to pickword make "picked pick :statement ifelse member? :picked :storage [pickword] [make "storage fput :picked :storage] if space full? [getpage "page6] end how can i stop the procedure when the list of statements has been used up? From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Mon Apr 19 13:55:06 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Cynthia) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 08:55:06 -0400 Subject: [MWForum]Interaction Design and Children Conference In-Reply-To: <6D0DE6E2-8D5E-11D8-B002-000A95C868C0@videotron.ca> References: <000301c42164$e87cb670$b05a0a0a@BOBIRVING> <6D0DE6E2-8D5E-11D8-B002-000A95C868C0@videotron.ca> Message-ID: --Apple-Mail-6-992891792 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Here is a wonderful opportunity to catch Seymour Papert, Marvin Minsky=20= and Alan Kay at the same event! FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Contact: Chris McCarthy, IDC 2004 Press Coordinator University of Maryland 301-314-2716 301-314-9658 mccarthy@umiacs.umd.edu http://www.idc2004.org/ Leading Researchers and Media Professionals to Keynote Third International Conference on Interaction Design and Children COLLEGE PARK, Md., April 12, 2004=97The University of Maryland will host=20= the Third International Conference on Interaction Design and Children=20 (IDC 2004, www.idc2004.org) from June 1 to 3, 2004 in College Park, Md.=20= The event will bring together researchers, educators, and industry=20 professionals from around the world concerned with designing=20 technologies for young users. IDC 2004 features opening and closing keynote panels with prestigious=20 academic leaders and media producers who have helped to found and shape=20= this field of interaction design and children. Both panels will be=20 moderated by David Kestenbaum of National Public Radio. 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The opening panel will focus on the topic =93The Challenges of Interaction Design and Children: What have we learned from our past?=94 =20= The panelists include Marvin Minsky, the Toshiba Professor of Media Arts and Sciences at MIT; Alan Kay, a Senior Fellow in Hewlett-Packard=92s HP Labs; and Seymour Papert, Professor of Education and Media Technology, Emeritus at MIT. The closing panel will feature veteran media professionals and researchers addressing the topic =93What Can Media Teach Us about Interaction Design and Children?=94 The panelists include Alice Cahn, Vice President of Development for The Cartoon Network; Henry Jenkins, Director of the Comparative Media Studies Program at MIT; and Alice Wilder, Director of Research for the popular children=92s television show =93Blue's Clues.=94 =93We have so much to learn about designing new technologies for children. By bringing together the founders and leaders of our field, we have the unprecedented opportunity to think deeply about what interaction design and children can mean for the future.=94 says Allison Druin, conference chair and professor at the University of Maryland=92s College of Information Studies and Institute for Advanced Computer Studies. In addition to the University of Maryland, sponsors for IDC2004 include, the Special Interest Group on Computer-Human Interaction (SIGCHI) of the Association for Computing Machinery, the National Science Foundation, the Institute of Museum and Library Services, Fisher-Price, and LeapFrog. The keynote panelists and conference organizers are available for interviews. To arrange an interview call Chris McCarthy at 301-314-2716. = --Apple-Mail-6-992891792-- From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Tue Apr 20 22:57:18 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Wendy Petti) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:57:18 -0400 Subject: [MWForum]building a movie recommending system Message-ID: Hi Folks, Vasant Dhar, a new member of the MWForum, would like our assistance. He had trouble posting his message to the list and has asked me to repost it. Since list-posting seems a bit unreliable, please also copy him on any replies (hit "reply all"). Thanks, Wendy -----Original Message----- From: Vasant Dhar [mailto:vasant.dhar@db.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 5:14 PM To: wpetti@mathcats.com Cc: vdhar@stern.nyu.edu; Vasant Dhar Subject: Microworlds Request from Yesterday Wendi, I sent my message to the list, bit it apparently didn't post. I got no responses, which I thought was odd. I called Sean at LCSI and he told me he didn't see anything. Maybe my subscription didn't work right (even though I received email conformation saying that it did). Could you PLEASE post my message to the list and ask people to reply to me at vdhar@stern.nyu.edu I'm getting a little desperate and need to know whether I should abandon trying this problem in this language. Thanks, Vasant Dhar Here's the request: I am trying to build a very simple recommender system for movies in Microworlds. It will work as follows: 1. System asks user to specify GENRE of interest, i.e. comedy, thriller, etc. 2. System searches through a table of past movies (HISTORICAL_MOVIES) corresponding to the specified GENRE. Call this subset SUBSET. 3. System presents user with SUBSET and asks which movies user liked (or it can ask for a ranking, which is preferable). Let's call this LIKED_SUBSET. 4. System matches attributes of LIKED_SUBSET with a table of CURRENT_MOVIES to determine SUGGESTED_SUBSET which consists of ranked movies. 5. If user is satisfies, quit, otherwise go to step 1. This is a pretty simple problem, easily solvable in BASIC. How do I do it in MW? The way I see it, it involves creating a tables of movies (historical and current), which should be sets of structured objects whose attribute-values can be accessed and matched. And the results should be assigned via some kind of assignment statement to variables etc. HELP!!!! Vasant Dhar Please reply to this address as well as vdhar@stern.nyu.edu From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Tue Apr 20 23:49:42 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Jeff Knope) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 15:49:42 -0700 Subject: [MWForum]movie recommender Message-ID: <000c01c42729$c6c506c0$2a7b5142@D5BKM721> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C426EF.189D55A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Vasant Dhar wrote: I am trying to build a very simple recommender system for movies in Microworlds. It will work as follows: 1. System asks user to specify GENRE of interest, i.e. comedy, thriller, etc. 2. System searches through a table of past movies (HISTORICAL_MOVIES) corresponding to the specified GENRE. Call this subset SUBSET. 3. System presents user with SUBSET and asks which movies user liked (or = it can ask for a ranking, which is preferable). Let's call this = LIKED_SUBSET. 4. System matches attributes of LIKED_SUBSET with a table of = CURRENT_MOVIES to determine SUGGESTED_SUBSET which consists of ranked movies. 5. If user is satisfies, quit, otherwise go to step 1. This is a pretty simple problem, easily solvable in BASIC. How do I do = it in MW? The way I see it, it involves creating a tables of movies = (historical and current), which should be sets of structured objects whose attribute-values can be accessed and matched. And the results should be assigned via some kind of assignment statement to variables etc. Dear Vasant, MicroWorlds uses a different data structure paradigm than BASIC. = MicroWorlds is a dialect of the artificial intelligence language LISP, = whose name is derived from exactly this difference. It stands for "LISt = Processing." The fundamental data structure is a list, not a table. Data = is evaluated by recursively examining the elements of a list.=20 A list may me a list of lists. This statement is the key to complexity = of data structure in MicroWorlds.=20 It takes a little practice to wrap your mind around this difference. It = takes quite a bit of practice to become facile with writing procedures = for building lists, and then writing other procedures for analyzing and = comparing them.=20 If you're in a hurry, you probably ought to just do it in BASIC. = Otherwise, your project makes a nearly ideal problem for learning list = processing. Perhaps other forum members can point you toward the best = materials for building skills to do this. Please believe me, these comments are more helpful than they may at = first sound. Good Luck, Jeff ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C426EF.189D55A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Vasant Dhar wrote:
 
I am trying to build a very simple recommender system for movies=20 in
Microworlds. It will work as follows:

1. System asks user = to=20 specify GENRE of interest, i.e. comedy, thriller,
etc.
2. System = searches=20 through a table of past movies (HISTORICAL_MOVIES)
corresponding to = the=20 specified GENRE. Call this subset SUBSET.
3. System presents user = with SUBSET=20 and asks which movies user liked (or it
can ask for a ranking, which = is=20 preferable). Let's call this LIKED_SUBSET.
4. System matches = attributes of=20 LIKED_SUBSET with a table of CURRENT_MOVIES
to determine = SUGGESTED_SUBSET=20 which consists of ranked movies.
5. If user is satisfies, quit, = otherwise go=20 to step 1.

This is a pretty simple problem, easily solvable in = BASIC. How=20 do I do it in
MW? The way I see it, it involves creating a tables of = movies=20 (historical
and current), which should be sets of structured objects=20 whose
attribute-values can be accessed and matched. And the results = should=20 be
assigned via some kind of assignment statement to variables=20 etc.

Dear=20 Vasant,
 
MicroWorlds uses a different data = structure=20 paradigm than BASIC. MicroWorlds is a dialect of the artificial = intelligence=20 language LISP, whose name is derived from exactly this=20 difference. It stands for "LISt Processing." The fundamental data = structure=20 is a list, not a table. Data is evaluated by recursively examining = the=20 elements of a list.
 
A list may me a list of lists. This=20 statement is the key to complexity of data structure in = MicroWorlds.=20
 
It takes a little practice to wrap your = mind around=20 this difference. It takes quite a bit of practice to become facile with = writing=20 procedures for building lists, and then writing other = procedures=20 for analyzing and comparing them.
 
If you're in a hurry, you probably = ought to just do=20 it in BASIC. Otherwise, your project makes a nearly ideal problem for = learning=20 list processing. Perhaps other forum members can point you toward the = best=20 materials for building skills to do this.
 
Please believe me, these comments are = more helpful=20 than they may at first sound.
 
Good Luck,
Jeff
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C426EF.189D55A0-- From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Wed Apr 21 01:43:24 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (mwforum@lists.mathcats.com) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 20:43:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [MWForum]movie recommender Message-ID: <200404210043.i3L0hOBE024331@kesari.stern.nyu.edu> Jeff, I've programmed extensively in Lisp, including my Ph.D thesis. My area of research is AI! I gather from your comments that there's no way to define a structured data type in MW? As in CLOS, for example? Vasant On Tue, Apr 20 2004 15:49:00 , Jeff Knope sent: > > > > > Atmail Takeout --> > > >Vasant Dhar wrote: > >I am trying to build a very simple recommender system for movies >in >Microworlds. It will work as follows: > >1. System asks user to >specify GENRE of interest, i.e. comedy, thriller, >etc. >2. System searches >through a table of past movies (HISTORICAL_MOVIES) >corresponding to the >specified GENRE. Call this subset SUBSET. >3. System presents user with SUBSET >and asks which movies user liked (or it >can ask for a ranking, which is >preferable). Let's call this LIKED_SUBSET. >4. System matches attributes of >LIKED_SUBSET with a table of CURRENT_MOVIES >to determine SUGGESTED_SUBSET >which consists of ranked movies. >5. If user is satisfies, quit, otherwise go >to step 1. > >This is a pretty simple problem, easily solvable in BASIC. How >do I do it in >MW? The way I see it, it involves creating a tables of movies >(historical >and current), which should be sets of structured objects >whose >attribute-values can be accessed and matched. And the results should >be >assigned via some kind of assignment statement to variables >etc. > > >Dear >Vasant, > >MicroWorlds uses a different data structure >paradigm than BASIC. MicroWorlds is a dialect of the artificial intelligence >language LISP, whose name is derived from exactly this >difference. It stands for "LISt Processing." The fundamental data structure >is a list, not a table. Data is evaluated by recursively examining the >elements of a list. > >A list may me a list of lists. This >statement is the key to complexity of data structure in MicroWorlds. > > >It takes a little practice to wrap your mind around >this difference. It takes quite a bit of practice to become facile with writing >procedures for building lists, and then writing other procedures >for analyzing and comparing them. > >If you're in a hurry, you probably ought to just do >it in BASIC. Otherwise, your project makes a nearly ideal problem for learning >list processing. Perhaps other forum members can point you toward the best >materials for building skills to do this. > >Please believe me, these comments are more helpful >than they may at first sound. > >Good Luck, >Jeff From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Wed Apr 21 02:25:49 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Jeff Knope) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:25:49 -0700 Subject: [MWForum]movie recommender References: <200404210043.i3L0hOBE024331@kesari.stern.nyu.edu> Message-ID: <000701c4273f$9638bc20$81455142@D5BKM721> Vasant - Well, I'm busted! I'm entirely self-taught in MicroWorlds (and other LOGOs), and other than some experience with AutoLISP, I know no other programming languages. If you use your knowledge of Lisp, you should have no trouble doing whatever you want in MicroWorlds. In more direct answer to your question, you use list structure (lists of lists of lists...) to define, or more accurately create, your data type. There is no prior declaration. At least, that's how I've figured out how to do it. -Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [MWForum]movie recommender > Jeff, I've programmed extensively in Lisp, including my Ph.D thesis. My area of > research is AI! > > I gather from your comments that there's no way to define a structured data type > in MW? As in CLOS, for example? > > Vasant > > On Tue, Apr 20 2004 15:49:00 , Jeff Knope sent: > > > > > > > > > > > Atmail Takeout --> > > > > > >Vasant Dhar wrote: > > > >I am trying to build a very simple recommender system for movies > >in > >Microworlds. It will work as follows: > > > >1. System asks user to > >specify GENRE of interest, i.e. comedy, thriller, > >etc. > >2. System searches > >through a table of past movies (HISTORICAL_MOVIES) > >corresponding to the > >specified GENRE. Call this subset SUBSET. > >3. System presents user with SUBSET > >and asks which movies user liked (or it > >can ask for a ranking, which is > >preferable). Let's call this LIKED_SUBSET. > >4. System matches attributes of > >LIKED_SUBSET with a table of CURRENT_MOVIES > >to determine SUGGESTED_SUBSET > >which consists of ranked movies. > >5. If user is satisfies, quit, otherwise go > >to step 1. > > > >This is a pretty simple problem, easily solvable in BASIC. How > >do I do it in > >MW? The way I see it, it involves creating a tables of movies > >(historical > >and current), which should be sets of structured objects > >whose > >attribute-values can be accessed and matched. And the results should > >be > >assigned via some kind of assignment statement to variables > >etc. > > > > > >Dear > >Vasant, > > > >MicroWorlds uses a different data structure > >paradigm than BASIC. MicroWorlds is a dialect of the artificial intelligence > >language LISP, whose name is derived from exactly this > >difference. It stands for "LISt Processing." The fundamental data structure > >is a list, not a table. Data is evaluated by recursively examining the > >elements of a list. > > > >A list may me a list of lists. This > >statement is the key to complexity of data structure in MicroWorlds. > > > > > >It takes a little practice to wrap your mind around > >this difference. It takes quite a bit of practice to become facile with writing > >procedures for building lists, and then writing other procedures > >for analyzing and comparing them. > > > >If you're in a hurry, you probably ought to just do > >it in BASIC. Otherwise, your project makes a nearly ideal problem for learning > >list processing. Perhaps other forum members can point you toward the best > >materials for building skills to do this. > > > >Please believe me, these comments are more helpful > >than they may at first sound. > > > >Good Luck, > >Jeff > > > > _______________________________________________ > MWForum mailing list > MWForum@lists.mathcats.com > http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum > Attachments archived at: > http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html > To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact > mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com > > From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Wed Apr 21 04:40:48 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Daniel Ajoy) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 22:40:48 -0500 Subject: [MWForum]building a movie recommending system In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4085A6F0.6159.2BF063@localhost> --Message-Boundary-9270 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Hi Vasant Dhar. The attached project could be a start. Daniel OpenWorld Learning PS. My method is similar to how things are done in Rexx (rexx programmers use "compound variable names" that have "stems") On 20 Apr 2004 at 17:57, Wendy Petti wrote: > I'm getting a little desperate and need to know whether I should abandon > trying this problem > in this language. > > Thanks, > > Vasant Dhar > > Here's the request: > > I am trying to build a very simple recommender system for movies in > Microworlds. It will work as follows: > > 1. System asks user to specify GENRE of interest, i.e. comedy, thriller, > etc. > 2. System searches through a table of past movies (HISTORICAL_MOVIES) > corresponding to the specified GENRE. Call this subset SUBSET. > 3. System presents user with SUBSET and asks which movies user liked (or it > can ask for a ranking, which is preferable). Let's call this LIKED_SUBSET. > 4. System matches attributes of LIKED_SUBSET with a table of CURRENT_MOVIES > to determine SUGGESTED_SUBSET which consists of ranked movies. > 5. If user is satisfies, quit, otherwise go to step 1. > > This is a pretty simple problem, easily solvable in BASIC. How do I do it in > MW? The way I see it, it involves creating a tables of movies (historical > and current), which should be sets of structured objects whose > attribute-values can be accessed and matched. 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2004 07:09:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [MWForum]Finding Files in IE and XP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040427140945.99306.qmail@web20724.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1234154896-1083074985=:95949 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I can find them but I can't open the projects. I can find them from your directions but when I click on the file to open it....I receive an unsafe message. I say yes and it opens another webpage for math cats but is blank. In the past I just went to Used MicroWorlds went to my cache and then opened a project from the cache. When I try to do this from MW now I can't even find temp files as an option from the open files menu. So I am not able to access any internet projects unless they allow them to be downloaded. Thanks for you help, and thanks most of your projects are downloadable. Jean --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs --0-1234154896-1083074985=:95949 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I can find them but I can't open the projects.  I can find them from your directions but when I click on the file to open it....I receive an unsafe message.  I say yes and it opens another webpage for math cats but is blank.  
 
In the past I just went to Used MicroWorlds went to my cache and then opened a  project from the cache. 
 
When I try to do this from MW now I can't even find temp files as an option from the open files menu. 
 
So I am not able to access any internet projects  unless they allow them to be downloaded.
 
Thanks for you help, and thanks most of your projects are downloadable.
 
                Jean

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Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs --0-1234154896-1083074985=:95949-- From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Tue Apr 27 14:52:04 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Jean Stringer) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 06:52:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [MWForum]MicroWorlds EX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040427135204.35974.qmail@web20730.mail.yahoo.com> --0-105797051-1083073924=:35513 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Is this game one of your Math Cat games? If yes, which one? I really love all you do to share all your projects. How did you make the blackboard? I really like that. I have only viewed your Logo part of your Math Cats in the past....your blackboard is awesome! Jean Wendy Petti wrote: These are good ideas. It is also possible to create a math game which generates random questions and evaluates the answers. It is easiest to focus on one operation at a time, but then you can design a version of the game which chooses randomly from addition, subtraction, multiplication and division questions, or even a game in which it is possible to choose a difficulty level (how many digits, etc.). Here are procedures for a simple multiplication quiz game. (Mind you, I'm not promoting the idea of drill and practice math games! I don't know what kind of math games your students are developing. But this is a simple way to get started in game creation.) This game presents problems in question boxes and evaluates the answers. If the answer is correct, the score in the SCORE textbox increases by 1 and a little snake moves forward 20 pixels; otherwise the computer shows the answer in an announcement box, the snake moves back 20 pixels, and the score decreases by 1. For the game below you would need a "new_problem" button and a "new_game" button and there is no clear finish to the game. It would be fairly easy to improve on this game so that new questions appear automatically after the previous question is evaluated, until a specified number of questions have been asked. It would also be possible to announce how many points have been earned out of how many total questions asked (perhaps when the game ends). * * * * * to new_problem make "m1 random 11 make "m2 random 11 question (se :m1 "x :m2 "=) ifelse answer = :m1 * :m1 [setscore score + 1 fd 20] [show_answer bk 20 setscore score - 1] end to show_answer make "m1m2product :m1 * :m2 announce (se :m1 "x :m2 "= :m1m2product) end to new_game setscore 0 t1, setpos [-178 -6] end to startup new_game end Wendy Petti OWL's MicroWorlds in Action http://mia.openworldlearning.org Math Cats http://www.mathcats.com - - - - - > Another way to do this: > > Assume you have a procedure > ASKQUES :N > which asks a question depending on the value of the input it is > called with. > > At the beginning of the game maybe have a procedure like > TO STARTUP > MAKE "Q 1 > END > > Then the button's instruction could say > ASKQUES :Q MAKE "Q :Q + 1 > > - Jerry Balzano (F&M alumnus) > > >You can have one button that starts the game. In it you would put > >the name of each procedure that asks a question > > > >to play > >ques1 > >ques2 > >ques3 > >end > > > >Then it will ask one question at a time. > > > >Susan > >On Apr 13, 2004, at 10:37 AM, Bob Irving wrote: > > > >>Got a question... My students are writing math games. Is > there a good way > >>to ask multiple questions (say, 10) without having 10 buttons > to launch each new question? > _______________________________________________ MWForum mailing list MWForum@lists.mathcats.com http://lists.mathcats.com/mailman/listinfo/mwforum Attachments archived at: http://www.mathcats.com/mwforum/attachments.html To unsubscribe or for administrative questions contact mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs --0-105797051-1083073924=:35513 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Is this game one of your Math Cat games? If yes, which one?   I really love all you do to share all your projects.
 
How did you make the blackboard?  I really like that.  I have only viewed your Logo part of your Math Cats in the past....your blackboard is awesome!
 
                               Jean

Wendy Petti <wpetti@mathcats.com> wrote:
These are good ideas. It is also possible to create a math game which
generates random questions and evaluates the answers. It is easiest to
focus on one operation at a time, but then you can design a version of the
game which chooses randomly from addition, subtraction, multiplication and
division questions, or even a game in which it is possible to choose a
difficulty level (how many digits, etc.).

Here are procedures for a simple multiplication quiz game. (Mind you, I'm
not promoting the idea of drill and practice math games! I don't know what
kind of math games your students are developing. But this is a simple way
to get started in game creation.)

This game presents problems in question boxes and evaluates the answers. If
the answer is correct, the score in the SCORE textbox increases by 1 and a
little snake moves forward 20 pixels; otherwise the computer shows the
answer in an announcement box, the snake moves back 20 pixels, and the score
decreases by 1. For the game below you would need a "new_problem" button
and a "new_game" button and there is no clear finish to the game. It would
be fairly easy to improve on this game so that new questions appear
automatically after the previous question is evaluated, until a specified
number of questions have been asked. It would also be possible to announce
how many points have been earned out of how many total questions asked
(perhaps when the game ends).

* * * * *

to new_problem
make "m1 random 11
make "m2 random 11
question (se :m1 "x :m2 "=)
ifelse answer = :m1 * :m1 [setscore score + 1 fd 20] [show_answer bk 20
setscore score - 1]
end


to show_answer
make "m1m2product :m1 * :m2
announce (se :m1 "x :m2 "= :m1m2product)
end


to new_game
setscore 0
t1, setpos [-178 -6]
end

to startup
new_game
end

Wendy Petti
OWL's MicroWorlds in Action
http://mia.openworldlearning.org
Math Cats
http://www.mathcats.com

- - - - -

> Another way to do this:
>
> Assume you have a procedure
> ASKQUES :N
> which asks a question depending on the value of the input it is
> called with.
>
> At the beginning of the game maybe have a procedure like
> TO STARTUP
> MAKE "Q 1
> END
>
> Then the button's instruction could say
> ASKQUES :Q MAKE "Q :Q + 1
>
> - Jerry Balzano (F&M alumnus)
>
> >You can have one button that starts the game. In it you would put
> >the name of each procedure that asks a question
> >
> >to play
> >ques1
> >ques2
> >ques3
> >end
> >
> >Then it will ask one question at a time.
> >
> >Susan
> >On Apr 13, 2004, at 10:37 AM, Bob Irving wrote:
> >
> >>Got a question... My students are writing math games. Is
> there a good way
> >>to ask multiple questions (say, 10) without having 10 buttons
> to launch each new question?
>


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Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs --0-105797051-1083073924=:35513-- From mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Tue Apr 27 15:44:58 2004 From: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com (Wendy Petti) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:44:58 -0400 Subject: [MWForum]Finding Files in IE and XP In-Reply-To: <20040427140945.99306.qmail@web20724.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C42C44.AF998A50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jean, First of all, you should not try to open projects from within the cache of Temporary Internet Files. If you drag the file to another folder that you've set up for this purpose, outside of the usually-hidden system folders, then it might open correctly without an unsafe message. I'm attaching a copy of the math quiz game - this one happens to be for multiplication only. I coached my young daughter on making it while I was driving on a trip and she was using a laptop in the back seat. It is possible to make a version for which the user would select the operation first and even the difficulty level. I've had games like that in the past but have not posted them on Math Cats because I do not like drill and practice quiz games; I prefer open-ended explorations. The magic chalkboard is done with Java, not MicroWorlds. Wendy -----Original Message----- From: mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com [mailto:mwforum-admin@lists.mathcats.com]On Behalf Of Jean Stringer Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 10:10 AM To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com Subject: [MWForum]Finding Files in IE and XP I can find them but I can't open the projects. I can find them from your directions but when I click on the file to open it....I receive an unsafe message. I say yes and it opens another webpage for math cats but is blank. In the past I just went to Used MicroWorlds went to my cache and then opened a project from the cache. When I try to do this from MW now I can't even find temp files as an option from the open files menu. So I am not able to access any internet projects unless they allow them to be downloaded. Thanks for you help, and thanks most of your projects are downloadable. Jean Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! 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