[MWForum]GraphicsBasics6 /// OPPPS!
Jeff Knope
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Sat, 09 Apr 2005 03:13:49 -0700
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Hi Zehava,
You're right, my first idea was to use separate pages rather than =
reconfiguring the menu on the same page. It turns out having additional =
pages vastly increases the filesize, while the appearance is exactly the =
same whichever way you do it. =20
--Jeff
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Zehava Wizman" <zehava_w@hotmail.com>
To: <mwforum@lists.mathcats.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 1:01 AM
Subject: Re: [MWForum]GraphicsBasics6 /// OPPPS!
> Hi jeff
> I think also, its better (especially for my needs - students with=20
> disabilities learning ) to display each commands in seperate page,as =
you=20
> said "maybe a page that has just the Turning and Moving commands as a =
group;=20
> and one for the Drawing with Coordinates as a group; and finally, all =
of=20
> them together, like it is now".
> thanks, Zehava
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>>From: "Jeff Knope" <jknope@asis.com>
>>Reply-To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com
>>To: <mwforum@lists.mathcats.com>
>>Subject: Re: [MWForum]GraphicsBasics6 /// OPPPS!
>>Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 11:58:07 -0700
>>
>>Hi Jean,
>>
>>Sorry for mispelling your name before.
>>
>>Well, sure. Throughout the code are references to the items you've=20
>>deleted. So now, when it can't find those items, it complains.
>>
>>I think it would be more helpful for us to discuss those larger issues =
of=20
>>what you'd prefer the whole thing to be like. Surely you don't want a =
>>program to demo just SETH, and nothing else. Or do you?
>>
>>Maybe the idea of a separate page for each of the commands might help =
focus=20
>>attention on one thing at a time. Then, maybe a page that has just =
the=20
>>Turning and Moving commands as a group; and one for the Drawing with=20
>>Coordinates as a group; and finally, all of them together, like it is =
now.
>>
>>I think for a group of Logo teachers, you're all being surprisingly =
mute=20
>>about this. Doesn't anybody else find this interesting?
>>
>>For those of you who may have missed what we're discussing, there is a =
>>Project called "GraphicsBasics6" attached to the 4/6 forum posting =
with=20
>>that subject line. Please note in the text of that posting there is =
also a=20
>>request for information about one specific aspect of your experience =
with=20
>>this Project.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Jeff
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Jean Stringer
>> To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com
>> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 11:16 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MWForum]GraphicsBasics6 /// OPPPS!
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I thought it was working but now I get this:
>> tto does not like [SETPOSlabel] as input in STOPMOUSEDRAW
>>
>> I thought it ws working boo hoo
>>
>>
>> Jeff Knope <jknope@asis.com> wrote:
>> Hi Jeanne,
>>
>> Thanks for the feedback. I'm curious why you'd want to demo only =
>>seth, and not the companion turning commands, lt and rt? Or the =
associated=20
>>moving commands, fd and bk? Do you mean you'd like a separate page =
for=20
>>each of those? That might be a really good idea, especially for very =
young=20
>>students. It would be pretty easy to make it like that.
>>
>> Did you notice the program is organized to help distinguish those =
>>turning and moving commands from the coordinate commands, setx, sety =
and=20
>>setpos? These are two different "mindsets" for moving around on a =
graphics=20
>>field: the former an "on-the-floor" turtle's-eye, horizontal view of =
the=20
>>action; the latter an "on-the-ceiling" or vertical point-of-view. You =
may=20
>>also notice, the program demonstrates how these two approaches can be=20
>>freely mixed in the same drawing. It seems to me those are all =
important=20
>>insights for students at some level.
>>
>> Since you didn't mention anything about the setheading textbox=20
>>misbehaving, may I assume it is working properly for you? Wendy =
suggested=20
>>I send this to the forum expressly to find out if others experience =
the=20
>>same problem she is having with it. I'm surprised no one has offered =
us=20
>>any information about that.
>>
>> --Jeff
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Jean Stringer
>> To: mwforum@lists.mathcats.com
>> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 8:59 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MWForum]GraphicsBasics6 /// OPPPS!
>>
>>
>> I se that I had to unfreeze things to remove them. I have just =
the=20
>>program I want now. Have No idea how it works but it does what I want =
it=20
>>to. :)
>> Thanks!
>> Jean
>>
>>
>> Jean Stringer <sjbjeanmarie@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I am not sure about this project, I will have to study it a =
bit=20
>>more. I have MWXP on this machine. I opened it and I would really =
like=20
>>to have JUST the grid the compas the little red turtle and setheading =
box. =20
>>I know it the seth shows at the bottom of the screen, but I think this =
>>would be a really neat program to demo seth. I can't figure out how =
to=20
>>remove everything else and just have what I want as the project.
>>
>> Thanks for any help.
>>
>> Jean
>>
>>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Zehava,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You're right, my first idea was to use =
separate=20
pages rather than reconfiguring the menu on the same page. It =
turns out=20
having additional pages vastly increases the filesize, while the =
appearance is=20
exactly the same whichever way you do it. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>--Jeff</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>From: "Zehava Wizman" <</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:zehava_w@hotmail.com"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>zehava_w@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>To: <</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:mwforum@lists.mathcats.com"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>mwforum@lists.mathcats.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 1:01 =
AM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Subject: Re: [MWForum]GraphicsBasics6 =
///=20
OPPPS!</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><BR><FONT size=3D2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>> Hi jeff<BR>> I think also, its better (especially for =
my needs -=20
students with <BR>> disabilities learning ) to display each commands =
in=20
seperate page,as you <BR>> said "maybe a page that has just the =
Turning and=20
Moving commands as a group; <BR>> and one for the Drawing with =
Coordinates as=20
a group; and finally, all of <BR>> them together, like it is=20
now".<BR>> =
&=
nbsp; &n=
bsp; &nb=
sp; =20
thanks, Zehava<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> =
<BR>>=20
<BR>> <BR>>>From: "Jeff Knope" <</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:jknope@asis.com"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>jknope@asis.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>><BR>>>Reply-To: </FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:mwforum@lists.mathcats.com"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>mwforum@lists.mathcats.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>>>To: <</FONT><A =
href=3D"mailto:mwforum@lists.mathcats.com"><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>mwforum@lists.mathcats.com</FONT></A><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>><BR>>>Subject: Re: [MWForum]GraphicsBasics6 /// =
OPPPS!<BR>>>Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 11:58:07=20
-0700<BR>>><BR>>>Hi Jean,<BR>>><BR>>>Sorry for=20
mispelling your name before.<BR>>><BR>>>Well, sure. =
Throughout=20
the code are references to the items you've <BR>>>deleted. =
So now,=20
when it can't find those items, it complains.<BR>>><BR>>>I =
think it=20
would be more helpful for us to discuss those larger issues of =
<BR>>>what=20
you'd prefer the whole thing to be like. Surely you don't want a=20
<BR>>>program to demo just SETH, and nothing else. Or do=20
you?<BR>>><BR>>>Maybe the idea of a separate page for each =
of the=20
commands might help focus <BR>>>attention on one thing at a =
time. =20
Then, maybe a page that has just the <BR>>>Turning and Moving =
commands as=20
a group; and one for the Drawing with <BR>>>Coordinates as a =
group; and=20
finally, all of them together, like it is now.<BR>>><BR>>>I =
think=20
for a group of Logo teachers, you're all being surprisingly mute=20
<BR>>>about this. Doesn't anybody else find this=20
interesting?<BR>>><BR>>>For those of you who may have missed =
what=20
we're discussing, there is a <BR>>>Project called =
"GraphicsBasics6"=20
attached to the 4/6 forum posting with <BR>>>that subject =
line. =20
Please note in the text of that posting there is also a =
<BR>>>request for=20
information about one specific aspect of your experience with =
<BR>>>this=20
Project.<BR>>><BR>>>Thanks,<BR>>>Jeff<BR>>><BR>&g=
t;><BR>>> =20
----- Original Message -----<BR>>> From: Jean=20
Stringer<BR>>> To: </FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:mwforum@lists.mathcats.com"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>mwforum@lists.mathcats.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>>> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 11:16=20
AM<BR>>> Subject: Re: [MWForum]GraphicsBasics6 ///=20
OPPPS!<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> =20
Hi,<BR>>><BR>>> I thought it was working but now =
I get=20
this:<BR>>> tto does not like [SETPOSlabel] as input =
in=20
STOPMOUSEDRAW<BR>>><BR>>> I thought it ws =
working boo=20
hoo<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Jeff Knope =
<</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:jknope@asis.com"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>jknope@asis.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>>=20
wrote:<BR>>> Hi=20
Jeanne,<BR>>><BR>>> Thanks for the=20
feedback. I'm curious why you'd want to demo only =
<BR>>>seth, and=20
not the companion turning commands, lt and rt? Or the associated=20
<BR>>>moving commands, fd and bk? Do you mean you'd like a =
separate=20
page for <BR>>>each of those? That might be a really good =
idea,=20
especially for very young <BR>>>students. It would be pretty =
easy to=20
make it like that.<BR>>><BR>>> Did =
you=20
notice the program is organized to help distinguish those =
<BR>>>turning=20
and moving commands from the coordinate commands, setx, sety and=20
<BR>>>setpos? These are two different "mindsets" for moving =
around=20
on a graphics <BR>>>field: the former an "on-the-floor" =
turtle's-eye,=20
horizontal view of the <BR>>>action; the latter an =
"on-the-ceiling" or=20
vertical point-of-view. You may <BR>>>also notice, the =
program=20
demonstrates how these two approaches can be <BR>>>freely mixed in =
the=20
same drawing. It seems to me those are all important =
<BR>>>insights=20
for students at some =
level.<BR>>><BR>>> =20
Since you didn't mention anything about the setheading textbox=20
<BR>>>misbehaving, may I assume it is working properly for =
you? =20
Wendy suggested <BR>>>I send this to the forum expressly to find =
out if=20
others experience the <BR>>>same problem she is having with =
it. I'm=20
surprised no one has offered us <BR>>>any information about=20
that.<BR>>><BR>>> =20
--Jeff<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> &=
nbsp;=20
----- Original Message =
-----<BR>>> =20
From: Jean Stringer<BR>>> To:=20
</FONT><A href=3D"mailto:mwforum@lists.mathcats.com"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>mwforum@lists.mathcats.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>>> Sent: Thursday, =
April 07,=20
2005 8:59 AM<BR>>> Subject: =
Re:=20
[MWForum]GraphicsBasics6 ///=20
OPPPS!<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> &=
nbsp; I=20
se that I had to unfreeze things to remove them. I have just the=20
<BR>>>program I want now. Have No idea how it works but it =
does what=20
I want it <BR>>>to.=20
:)<BR>>> =20
Thanks!<BR>>> =
=20
Jean<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> &nb=
sp;=20
Jean Stringer <</FONT><A href=3D"mailto:sjbjeanmarie@yahoo.com"><FONT =
face=3DArial size=3D2>sjbjeanmarie@yahoo.com</FONT></A><FONT =
face=3DArial size=3D2>>=20
wrote:<BR>>> &=
nbsp; I=20
am not sure about this project, I will have to study it a bit=20
<BR>>>more. I have MWXP on this machine. I =
opened it and=20
I would really like <BR>>>to have JUST the grid the compas the =
little red=20
turtle and setheading box. <BR>>>I know it the seth shows at =
the=20
bottom of the screen, but I think this <BR>>>would be a really =
neat=20
program to demo seth. I can't figure out how to <BR>>>remove =
everything else and just have what I want as the=20
project.<BR>>><BR>>>  =
; =20
Thanks for any=20
help.<BR>>><BR>>> &n=
bsp; &nb=
sp; =20
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